137LikesTeam Associated RC10 B5m Mid-Motor & Rear Motor Thread
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11-23-2014, 05:00 PM
Rear Grip Suggestions...
I am curious what your thoughts may be on the following:
My B5M is almost perfect. We run on a medium to lower traction surface indoors. The B5M has been fantastic taking the win last weekend. I would like to obtain just a little more rear grip or forward bite upon corner exit. The car tends to step out a little bit right when you pick up the throttle on exit. Keep in mind again car is really good and this can be managed with throttle, however I was curious what a few of you thing of these options... I will test some later this week as well.
1. Go down in rear spring rate to allow rear to drop faster on throttle currently on white and may try green.
2. Go down in rear shock oil. Currently at 30 may try 27.5 with the 1.6 piston
3. Go down to 0 degrees anti-squat vs current 1 degree
4. Go up in front spring rate as I am currently on green and may go up to white or gray.
5. Move battery back as it is one foam from back position now.
Being car is still rotating off corner would a role center change improve this as well. I am running Schelle Caster Plate in up position with no shims.
Thanks!
JRF
My B5M is almost perfect. We run on a medium to lower traction surface indoors. The B5M has been fantastic taking the win last weekend. I would like to obtain just a little more rear grip or forward bite upon corner exit. The car tends to step out a little bit right when you pick up the throttle on exit. Keep in mind again car is really good and this can be managed with throttle, however I was curious what a few of you thing of these options... I will test some later this week as well.
1. Go down in rear spring rate to allow rear to drop faster on throttle currently on white and may try green.
2. Go down in rear shock oil. Currently at 30 may try 27.5 with the 1.6 piston
3. Go down to 0 degrees anti-squat vs current 1 degree
4. Go up in front spring rate as I am currently on green and may go up to white or gray.
5. Move battery back as it is one foam from back position now.
Being car is still rotating off corner would a role center change improve this as well. I am running Schelle Caster Plate in up position with no shims.
Thanks!
JRF
11-23-2014, 05:12 PM
If we are paying to the difference between a 1mm spacer vs a 2mm spacer....the slop or free range of motion the shock caps have on the stand off bushings has to significant.
I used the Schelle Stand offs and the shock caps did not move at all.
With the Composite Shock Caps or or V2 Shock Caps on the composite stock stand offs we have lots of movement. AE doesn't even offer a hop up for that. That may mean its OK. Just hard to accept the slop when we always tune for no slop.
I used the Schelle Stand offs and the shock caps did not move at all.
With the Composite Shock Caps or or V2 Shock Caps on the composite stock stand offs we have lots of movement. AE doesn't even offer a hop up for that. That may mean its OK. Just hard to accept the slop when we always tune for no slop.
In the shock bushings it is critical that the shock can swivel freely on the bushing. That swiveling is not slop. Only if it has up and down play or side to side play. After using my B5 for 6 months did the bushings get to a point where I feel they were sloppy. You know what, after replacing them my lap times were the same... Imagine that.
11-23-2014, 05:57 PM
Adding the upgraded stand offs will eliminate that swivel. Eliminating slop in Nitro Buggy is common practice. In the differentials its crucial. I would have thought in 2wd buggy for it to be very important because the slights slop could change the characteristics. I race this Wednesday again. I will pay attention to this.
11-23-2014, 06:05 PM
Tech Regular
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I am curious what your thoughts may be on the following:
My B5M is almost perfect. We run on a medium to lower traction surface indoors. The B5M has been fantastic taking the win last weekend. I would like to obtain just a little more rear grip or forward bite upon corner exit. The car tends to step out a little bit right when you pick up the throttle on exit. Keep in mind again car is really good and this can be managed with throttle, however I was curious what a few of you thing of these options... I will test some later this week as well.
1. Go down in rear spring rate to allow rear to drop faster on throttle currently on white and may try green.
2. Go down in rear shock oil. Currently at 30 may try 27.5 with the 1.6 piston
3. Go down to 0 degrees anti-squat vs current 1 degree
4. Go up in front spring rate as I am currently on green and may go up to white or gray.
5. Move battery back as it is one foam from back position now.
Being car is still rotating off corner would a role center change improve this as well. I am running Schelle Caster Plate in up position with no shims.
Thanks!
JRF
My B5M is almost perfect. We run on a medium to lower traction surface indoors. The B5M has been fantastic taking the win last weekend. I would like to obtain just a little more rear grip or forward bite upon corner exit. The car tends to step out a little bit right when you pick up the throttle on exit. Keep in mind again car is really good and this can be managed with throttle, however I was curious what a few of you thing of these options... I will test some later this week as well.
1. Go down in rear spring rate to allow rear to drop faster on throttle currently on white and may try green.
2. Go down in rear shock oil. Currently at 30 may try 27.5 with the 1.6 piston
3. Go down to 0 degrees anti-squat vs current 1 degree
4. Go up in front spring rate as I am currently on green and may go up to white or gray.
5. Move battery back as it is one foam from back position now.
Being car is still rotating off corner would a role center change improve this as well. I am running Schelle Caster Plate in up position with no shims.
Thanks!
JRF
I have this same issue and want a cure also
11-23-2014, 06:09 PM
If the shocks don't swivel, something is wrong. Never seen a shock bushing stock or aftermarket that doesn't. The AE aftermarket alum standoffs do it as well.
11-23-2014, 06:13 PM
Rear shocks inside inside. 30wt oil with kit 1.6 pistons. 26.65 mm exposed shaft. 3 toe 1 deg anti squat. Battery strap secured with screws or flanged nuts instead of kit thumb screws. Will generate alot more flex. Front droop at 20.5 to 20.75mm white springs 35wt oil. I also like rhe tapered 3x1.4 pistons installed cone down. Standard stroke going up but faster return in down travel. This means fastwr weight tranfer to the rear. You can try these things. But I also feel the plastic rear arm amounts are the best. The brass and alum take away to much natural flex if running on med bite or and track with a layer of dust. Also you can unscrew your rear end an make sure the screws are not torqued. I always x mine up when tighten and will check this and redo most of the main screws on the car at the track about once a day or more depending on the length of time I'm there.
11-23-2014, 06:38 PM
Hey guys im sure this was talked about but here is my question this is my first 2wd buggy and was wondering i already have saddle packs has anyone seen a difference performance wise between saddle and shorty
11-23-2014, 06:40 PM
11-23-2014, 06:44 PM
Just realized a car I got has RM front arms, but the MM tower, I remember someone posting the right way to make that work?
11-23-2014, 06:48 PM
change the dirt to super tacky clay, lol. lol, J/K. I run on medium to high bite indoor tracks. For rear bite, I run 3-1 toe/squat, Rm rear arms and hubs forward. Smallest pinion and spur combo to move the motor back. I weight in at 1560 grams. And I run my shorty back with the esc center-lined against the battery. Rear shocks inside/inside. 32.5/30 oils with Avis 1.5x1.1 front and 1.6 rear pistons. White front and grey rear springs. Also, my slipper is set to prevent wheelies, meaning it is not locked. I am running the Avid Evo woth white/red/white. I have plenty of rear bite, but I could possible have more traction on the track than some of you.
11-23-2014, 06:57 PM
11-23-2014, 07:29 PM
Yes change your tower.
11-23-2014, 07:32 PM
Must be nice to be at the track for 4 days, was watching kids soccer last two days 
. Got away during thwe week a few hours and hit 15-20 packs thru car but nothing this weekend.
. Got away during thwe week a few hours and hit 15-20 packs thru car but nothing this weekend.
11-23-2014, 08:28 PM
11-23-2014, 08:56 PM
Tech Regular
iTrader: (26)
change the dirt to super tacky clay, lol. lol, J/K. I run on medium to high bite indoor tracks. For rear bite, I run 3-1 toe/squat, Rm rear arms and hubs forward. Smallest pinion and spur combo to move the motor back. I weight in at 1560 grams. And I run my shorty back with the esc center-lined against the battery. Rear shocks inside/inside. 32.5/30 oils with Avis 1.5x1.1 front and 1.6 rear pistons. White front and grey rear springs. Also, my slipper is set to prevent wheelies, meaning it is not locked. I am running the Avid Evo woth white/red/white. I have plenty of rear bite, but I could possible have more traction on the track than some of you.