Originally Posted by strodedawg

preordered from amain today can't wait

Originally Posted by the incubus

This notion of a certain orientation being suited for one type of surface over another makes absolutely no sense. If a car is well balanced and stable, it is this so on ANY surface and the only things you need to do to make it work on all types of surfaces is fine tune via suspension changes and selecting the right tires. If you get both these things correct a car should be equally fast regardless of track type.

The biggest difference with all these RC cars is that people are free to run whatever tire they wish and some cars will simply have a superior combination of rubber that will allow the car to go better, so people assume it's the configuration that's superior.

Certainly MM vehicles will have superior characteristics to that of RM vehicles and visa versa, but a well designed MM car should be faster than a RM simy because of balance and weight distribution. The current crop of MM cars however are not what I'd consider properly designed MM cars as they basically just flipped the drivetrain around to change the displacement of weight further forward. And while that's the ideal thing to do, the drive train should also maintain a neutral balance from side to side which NONE of these rig kits offer.

In the b5 I still see the motor offset a bit more to the left which is something I expected they'd change being as Centering kits made a significant improvement in that area.


Either way, whether MM or RM, a car that is set up well is set up well and nw I'll rip on any track provided you run the right tires and suspension setup.

Originally Posted by Chiefy 707

What I'm wondering is if for the time being, does it make more sense to just go with a 4.2 FT than the B5 Team? Given that the 4.2 will probably cost alot less, come with more 'must have' parts, have more available tuning setups, and have more available parts "on the wall".

Don't get me wrong I am juiced for the new car, but whenever I spend a couple of hundred bucks for anything I tend to think about the logic of my purchase. Especially since I tend to splurge on the latest and greatest and the shiny and new.

Perhaps we really won't see the real benefits of the new car until a year from now.

Originally Posted by Afun

. Also, it takes lots of money and mods to make the Centro competitive.

Originally Posted by Afun

I am in the same boat. Got a brand new hopped up B4.2 that has not seen the track. Do I sell new or keep and race? Brand new Team Orion full stick pack that I could still return too?

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

+1 on the cost of getting the MM going. The also seems to require several upgrades costing around $150 to get it going and competitive. Plus, it gets pretty heavy for 17.5. I am hoping the B5 MM is ready to go out of the box with no mods and maybe just a couple lead weights. If I have to buy $100 in brass to make it work, then meh. I will pass

Originally Posted by Afun

I read this post a couple of times and I must disagree. Overall, the RM car is going to be better all around. Great on loose tracks and good on high bite tracks. The MM will just be good on high bite with lots of tight turns. Also, it takes lots of money and mods to make the Centro competitive. Don't know about the other MM cars or new B5 MM.

Originally Posted by Bubonic-X

Not sure if you guys are saying it a different way. So let me clarify myself.
I want to use my b4.2 for tracks that require a RM. And then get the b5m for high grip tracks. That way I only buy one kit instead of 2. Nothing to do with the Centro
I would like to make the MM b5 work everywhere and keep the 4.2 as roller just incase its needed rather than buying a rear motor b5.
Jake

Originally Posted by the incubus

You may disagree with it but thus far, the ONLY reason this ideology has been adopted as the gospel is because Pro drivers said it and the masses take it to heart. I'm willing to be that in the coming years when companies produce purposely engineered MM vehicles you will see they will perform better than not only the Rig kits, but the RM cars as well. The KF and the XB-2 (though a rig kit) are true MM cars.

I want to see a MM and RM car of the same brand fine tuned specifically for a track that is said to be better suited for RM and let them have at it. I'd bet the MM car would win because of it's better balance.

In most forms of car racing (Outside of NASCRAP and a few others) cars are configured to be Mid-Engined cars because regardless of the type of track, that configuration offers the greater stability and balance for virtually any track. And while this is on a vastly smaller scale, similar principals apply.

Originally Posted by the incubus

You may disagree with it but thus far, the ONLY reason this ideology has been adopted as the gospel is because Pro drivers said it and the masses take it to heart. I'm willing to be that in the coming years when companies produce purposely engineered MM vehicles you will see they will perform better than not only the Rig kits, but the RM cars as well. The KF and the XB-2 (though a rig kit) are true MM cars.

I want to see a MM and RM car of the same brand fine tuned specifically for a track that is said to be better suited for RM and let them have at it. I'd bet the MM car would win because of it's better balance.

In most forms of car racing (Outside of NASCRAP and a few others) cars are configured to be Mid-Engined cars because regardless of the type of track, that configuration offers the greater stability and balance for virtually any track. And while this is on a vastly smaller scale, similar principals apply.