54LikesTeam Associated RC10 B5m Mid-Motor Thread
03-09-2017, 12:23 AM - Wikipost
|
|||
|
|||
|
11-24-2015, 11:25 AM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and in cases like this there is no right or wrong. However, I don't believe that you need most of that stuff. None of the pros that I know use any of it with the exception of good bearings and diff parts. There are those that believe that the edge they get from having all the best stuff is what separates them from their closest competitors and there might be some truth to that. However, if you look at what all the top guys run, a majority of it is pretty basic. I think tire selection, good set up, and basic upgrades are really all you need. From personal experience my laps times are virtually the same between a mostly box stock car that is in good shape and a similar car with $500 in upgrades. I've even given a few friends my stock car to use only to have them lap me anyway. I'm gonna suck with or without cut gears and drilled outdrives.
That being said, Rivkin beat everyone at JC stock nats without pucks. Unsure on cut gears, since I could not see in his gear box, lol. And owning tires, is only part of the equation at SRS. I have been aware for a while, but trying to ignore it, but tire prep is everything. I tried to use the stock foams and tires without any prep and it was not great. I keep seeing posts saying, "I bought the same tires the fast guys use...", while that may be true, that is only part of the tire program. I miss outdoor non sugar racing. Good Ole glue and go tires.
11-24-2015, 11:28 AM
tires is seriously 99% of indoor racing. it's 90% of all racing, but 99% of indoor. I could hand you 4 pairs of Typos that all look similar and all are very different and handle very different. Sucks, but that's the world we live in.
11-24-2015, 11:29 AM
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,480
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
Doesn't Kinwald race at SRS now?
11-24-2015, 11:33 AM
yep. I talk to him from time to time. But he is uber "creative" in everything he does in RC. Some of his work bleeds off into the fast guys, then trickles down. I was talking to him recently, and he told me that he makes all of his sway bars. He rarely ever uses the OEM ones, lol. That guy just loves to make stuff. He is ALWAYS trying new stuff, so his tire program changes often. He even makes his own tires sauce. He would create a car from the ground up if he has the resources, I am sure of it.
11-24-2015, 11:36 AM
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,480
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
Stock parts or not, that you can see. Do you all really think a tranny built out of the box will spin as free as what the Pros run at the Stock Nats? Come on, you know better than that
They might not be the big names who end up on the podium anymore but there's some old dogs on the AE team that know how to prep this stuff and free it up.
They might not be the big names who end up on the podium anymore but there's some old dogs on the AE team that know how to prep this stuff and free it up.
11-24-2015, 11:36 AM
Also, Kinwald pits in a very accessible spot at SRS, which makes him very approachable. Very nice guy and always willing to give you tips. Some guys pit like they have a moat and wall to protect them, lol. Rivkin also pits in an accessible spot, but he goes to BK when he needs help. So IMO, just go to the source directly, lol.
11-24-2015, 11:37 AM
Stock parts or not, that you can see. Do you all really think a tranny built out of the box will spin as free as what the Pros run at the Stock Nats? Come on, you know better than that They might not be the big names who end up on the podium anymore but there's some old dogs on the AE team that know how to prep this stuff and free it up.
They might not be the big names who end up on the podium anymore but there's some old dogs on the AE team that know how to prep this stuff and free it up.
11-24-2015, 11:40 AM
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,480
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
yep. I talk to him from time to time. But he is uber "creative" in everything he does in RC. Some of his work bleeds off into the fast guys, then trickles down. I was talking to him recently, and he told me that he makes all of his sway bars. He rarely ever uses the OEM ones, lol. That guy just loves to make stuff. He is ALWAYS trying new stuff, so his tire program changes often. He even makes his own tires sauce. He would create a car from the ground up if he has the resources, I am sure of it.
11-24-2015, 11:46 AM
yeah, I went over to him with my sc5m and told him it sucks (i hate SC). He showed me his truck and what he had done. He says, "As you can see I have done a few extra things...." I busted out laughing. His truck is nothing like the kit. Not even close. Custom made rear arms, custom front and rear sway bars and much more custom stuff, that is not bling. Then of course he had his usual custom bling mods he does to make it look nice. So if you ever see one of his setup sheets. You are not even getting half the picture, lol.
11-24-2015, 03:42 PM
Amain order picking the B5MCE. Needed a kit to build for 17.5. Are the turnbuckles still tight on ball studs, lol, jkjk. If I had a nickel.
11-24-2015, 05:12 PM
11-24-2015, 06:32 PM
yep, 90% of the crap I buy does not do crap. A few pieces lower motor temps and the rest is bling. The "Lite" comes with pretty much everything I need. I do like pucks and cut gears for 17.5. Mostly for some lower motor temps and more snap. I also prefer the Avid Slipper. I tried to go back to the AE slipper, but it was crappy. I didnt like it at all.
That being said, Rivkin beat everyone at JC stock nats without pucks. Unsure on cut gears, since I could not see in his gear box, lol. And owning tires, is only part of the equation at SRS. I have been aware for a while, but trying to ignore it, but tire prep is everything. I tried to use the stock foams and tires without any prep and it was not great. I keep seeing posts saying, "I bought the same tires the fast guys use...", while that may be true, that is only part of the tire program. I miss outdoor non sugar racing. Good Ole glue and go tires.
That being said, Rivkin beat everyone at JC stock nats without pucks. Unsure on cut gears, since I could not see in his gear box, lol. And owning tires, is only part of the equation at SRS. I have been aware for a while, but trying to ignore it, but tire prep is everything. I tried to use the stock foams and tires without any prep and it was not great. I keep seeing posts saying, "I bought the same tires the fast guys use...", while that may be true, that is only part of the tire program. I miss outdoor non sugar racing. Good Ole glue and go tires.
11-25-2015, 05:12 AM
Tech Regular
The tire issues were the biggest change I noticed when I recently went to off-road carpet the first time. No tire sauce all day and I had stupidly high (and consistent) grip all day. I see now why most of Europe went to turf or carpet. It's the most fun I've had at the track in years, and I've been racing on and off-road since 1990. The only down side was re-learning not to huck the car sideways to setup the next corner.
11-25-2015, 06:00 AM
Pulled the pin!!!!
B5M CE will be here On Friday. Lite Chassis, X-rings and JC Warrior body got here yesterday... Body will be going to the painter on Friday.
Thinking of just doing a completely new car with speedo, motor and servo..
Little girl is going to die of excitement!
Wife.... not so much.
B5M CE will be here On Friday. Lite Chassis, X-rings and JC Warrior body got here yesterday... Body will be going to the painter on Friday.
Thinking of just doing a completely new car with speedo, motor and servo..
Little girl is going to die of excitement!
Wife.... not so much.
11-25-2015, 11:34 AM
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,480
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
The tire issues were the biggest change I noticed when I recently went to off-road carpet the first time. No tire sauce all day and I had stupidly high (and consistent) grip all day. I see now why most of Europe went to turf or carpet. It's the most fun I've had at the track in years, and I've been racing on and off-road since 1990. The only down side was re-learning not to huck the car sideways to setup the next corner.
You did? You realize it's because it rains there almost everyday and maintaining an outdoor dirt track in those conditions is near impossible, right? Along with that the cost of having an indoor dirt facility is INSANE in Europe. Most of the free world doesn't race on carpet/astro because they WANT to, it's because they have to.
IMO