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Old 10-14-2015, 10:47 AM   #16006
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That's what the TLR guys had to do

In all seriousness. If you're local TLR guys are running 22's with no brass, a lay down tranny might work on your track. Only track, dirt track, I can think of might be SRS in Az, and I think an indoor track in Florida runs on slicks too. Beachline maybe? Not sure..

You've gotta have serious grip to run a "center motor/laydown" set up..IMO (without having to add tons of weight)
Some of the TLR guys still run a boat load of weight at SRS.
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Yokomo seems to be failing...

If I can't run the car out of the box and be competitive, I don't want it.

The B5M lite runs circles around all of these cars....out of the box.

I still laugh at my 1 question in the YZ2 thread, "Does anyone run this car as it comes from the box?" The answer? Nope.

Everyone is micky mousing with added weights etc. My favourite is the guys are putting the OLD caitlyn in the car from the Bmax. Nothing like admitting yokomo absolutely FAILED at making a "laydown" caitlyn car, like the end users converting it back to the old car!
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Everyone is micky mousing with added weights etc. My favourite is the guys are putting the OLD caitlyn in the car from the Bmax. Nothing like admitting yokomo absolutely FAILED at making a "laydown" caitlyn car, like the end users converting it back to the old car!
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Yokomo did not fail in engineering the letdown tranny. It is still a new concept and like all new things, it will undergo assessments and revisions to improve it. It is rare to hit a home run right out of the gates and I have no doubt future versions of the YZ-2, like most other top cars will improve in many facets. If I had a YZ-2 I'd look to see how to improve performance with the car as it is without going to the rig MM option of the B-Max. Just as with anything, if you tweak it long enough you will find additional performance.

I do agree that adding all that weight is a bit much and perhaps it's better to look at something that already exists to remedy this on another car. The DEX410 is perhaps a bit too neutral in front to rear weight bias and the brass skid plate underneath remedies it perfectly. I see no reason a skid plate or a considerably heavier RR suspension hanger can't be made that would also accept additional weight(s) to fine tune according to grip levels and track conditions. Get the right amount of weight behind the rear wheels and grip tends to improve.
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Yokomo did not fail in engineering the letdown tranny. It is still a new concept and like all new things, it will undergo assessments and revisions to improve it. It is rare to hit a home run right out of the gates and I have no doubt future versions of the YZ-2, like most other top cars will improve in many facets. If I had a YZ-2 I'd look to see how to improve performance with the car as it is without going to the rig MM option of the B-Max. Just as with anything, if you tweak it long enough you will find additional performance.

I do agree that adding all that weight is a bit much and perhaps it's better to look at something that already exists to remedy this on another car. The DEX410 is perhaps a bit too neutral in front to rear weight bias and the brass skid plate underneath remedies it perfectly. I see no reason a skid plate or a considerably heavier RR suspension hanger can't be made that would also accept additional weight(s) to fine tune according to grip levels and track conditions. Get the right amount of weight behind the rear wheels and grip tends to improve.
People today don't understand that concept! They want DIALED right outta the box. No more patience! Wonder what happened with Formula 1 through 408 or WD-1 through 39??
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The YZ works great on astro and one of the best cars I tried on carpet, and that is out of the box.
On what we consider low grip like wet astro or sport hall floor it isn't as bad as everybody is talking about, I prefer it over my RB6 but for sure it does not work on low grip dirt tracks.
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The YZ works great on astro and one of the best cars I tried on carpet, and that is out of the box.
On what we consider low grip like wet astro or sport hall floor it isn't as bad as everybody is talking about, I prefer it over my RB6 but for sure it does not work on low grip dirt tracks.
I bet I could make it work on our tracks which are outdoors, but it would take some tinkering over time and int he end it will be a combination of fine tuning, finding the right amount of weight at the very rear as low as possible and of course, the right tires. Tires tend to be the greatest contributing factor in how well cars hook up so if you get that right you're usually more than half way there.
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I bet I could make it work on our tracks which are outdoors, but it would take some tinkering over time and int he end it will be a combination of fine tuning, finding the right amount of weight at the very rear as low as possible and of course, the right tires. Tires tend to be the greatest contributing factor in how well cars hook up so if you get that right you're usually more than half way there.
I've seen videos of it and it looks really good, on indoor med-high grip dirt!
But theres a really nice thread already for the YZ-2 and I am watching it like a hawk!
May be my next buggy?
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Yokomo seems to be failing...

If I can't run the car out of the box and be competitive, I don't want it.

The B5M lite runs circles around all of these cars....out of the box.

I still laugh at my 1 question in the YZ2 thread, "Does anyone run this car as it comes from the box?" The answer? Nope.

Everyone is micky mousing with added weights etc. My favourite is the guys are putting the OLD caitlyn in the car from the Bmax. Nothing like admitting yokomo absolutely FAILED at making a "laydown" caitlyn car, like the end users converting it back to the old car!
I ran mine out of the box and people are still running my setup.
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I've seen videos of it and it looks really good, on indoor med-high grip dirt!
But theres a really nice thread already for the YZ-2 and I am watching it like a hawk!
May be my next buggy?
Same here but my wife finally ran on a track and turns out she loved it so now I have to buy 2 kits and I'll swap my sone to run the same car as us so that's 3!!! LOL
3 AE Kits will save me a considerable amount of Mula.
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The YZ works great on astro and one of the best cars I tried on carpet, and that is out of the box.
On what we consider low grip like wet astro or sport hall floor it isn't as bad as everybody is talking about, I prefer it over my RB6 but for sure it does not work on low grip dirt tracks.
The yok thread us no different that this one. People Dont know how to setup a car and want to be told the hot setup. It does work on low bite tracks.
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Just bought a b5M.

Cant wait to build it.
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The yok thread us no different that this one. People Dont know how to setup a car and want to be told the hot setup. It does work on low bite tracks.
I have no problem setting up the car with shocks and camber links etc. But I draw the line at tossing brass at a car to make it "work". If a car required brass to work, I will move on to a different car. I am not saying the yz2 is good or bad. No one here runs one, so I have no opportunity to drive one. But I wont use brass to tune a car.
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Back in the late 80's and early 90's rc racing was big around here..... back then things were much simpler.... maybe there is something to that
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A lot of the AE guys were running brass front bulkheads at Yatabe were they not? Brass has its place, it all depends on the surface.
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