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Old 10-14-2015, 07:44 AM   #15991
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I think it's a pretty good bet that they at least release a laydown conversion. The car looked above and beyond the rest and carpet/astro is getting more "traction" (see what I did there, LOL) as a racing surface, so it would make business sense to do it. Another little detail that would tell me such is the JC release of the S2 body for the "worlds car". I have the Reds Low Rider trans, and the car handles great, but being 3d printed it has a little play on the idler and can skip gears.
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I think they will release something, traction is going up at a lot of tracks in the U.S. my local track SRS's clay surface is very high grip, In fact I am very curious if a lay down trans would have any benefit at our track. there are already several carpet tracks popping up in the States and in my opinion think that it will keep growing as it does have a lot of advantages, has its disadvantages also but if I had 2 tracks to choose from one clay/dirt and one carpet/astro I know I would try the carpet and would probably be more inclined to go to the carpet track.
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Laydown transmission is for really high grip. People who own the YZ-2 are converting to standard MM transmission from the previous Yokomo 2WD to make them work. If you race on carpet or turf, then it's perfect but if race on clay you'll be spinning your wheels...literally.
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Laydown transmission is for really high grip. People who own the YZ-2 are converting to standard MM transmission from the previous Yokomo 2WD to make them work. If you race on carpet or turf, then it's perfect but if race on clay you'll be spinning your wheels...literally.
If you run the SMC brass weight kit it was wonderful.

NO NEED TO CHANGE TO THE OLD YOKOMO B-max style Transmission Layout.

It works on low to med. traction. And works great on High bit.

Yokomo YZ-2


More info sir.

After spending 2 weeks testing the YZ-2 and the YZmax I've come to the conclusion that the way I have my YZ-2 setup it's every bit as good if not better than the YZmax.


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And the track I run is HARD CLAY And I don't spin my wheels at all.
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Really, overall technology today is such that most high-end products from competing manufacturers of a given industry are so close in most ways, if you know one, you can easily learn a competitor's product with minimal effort.

If you know how to set up a Losi car, you can set up an Associated car. HOWEVER, having owned both brands dating back to the original RC10 and the JRx2 (yes been doing this for a VERY long time), of their modern offerings, I think you will acclimate to the B5 so easily because the car is just flat out better in how it performs. That slight push the 22 always tends to want to exude isn't present in the Associated cars and the car goes where you want it to. If you know what tires work best on the 22 for your local tracks, the same tires should be even better on the Associated car because it is generally an easier platform to drive.

I bought a 22 and spent all the money to buy every single upgrade part for it and tuned and tweaked it endlessly looking for that magic adjustment that would make the car turn the way I was used to and in the end, the only adjustment that did it was trading it for a B4.2. Even with all the slop on that thing it was just easier to drive and set up, though I removed 85% of the slop by replacing all ball Balls and cups with TLR ones all around.

Hope this helps ease your mind and talk you off the fence.

I'm running the PRS1 currently and I love it but with Associated's improved quality with the B5 and the new Laydown Tranny, I am going to buy one and compare. If it's as good as it seems, I will sell my son's PRS1 and by himont too and one for my wife.

If not, YZ-2 or PRS1 V3, here I come! LOL
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Old 10-14-2015, 08:58 AM   #15996
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Wow, that's a lot of brass Motorman! But if it works, hey, it works.

For AE to produce this lay down transmission they'd need to mold what, two transmission halves with the shock tower brace built into it, a new larger idler gear, a waterfall brace and cut a carbon fibre rear tower. Anything else? That's not a ton of work for them in the grand scheme of things. Yes, I know making a plastic mold is expensive, but so was making a 3 gear and look how that has gone.

I think carpet and Astro will only grow in popularity as we need them up here in areas above the snow belt, and with the added costs of finding indoor spaces to race, we often only have a place for a season or two before the rent gets too high and we're looking for a new home. Rolling up carpet is a lot easier and land lord friendlier than clay. It also gets those guys from on-road in on the action, you know they hate to get dirty! Some guys hate the fact that a track can jump up and bite them, they want to battle other drivers, not the track as well. I'm not one of those afraid of clay, we have an amazing covered clay track in my town, but until you have tried a consistent surface, or lost your track to high rent or winter, you know you do what ya gotta do to race, which sometimes means carpet.
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Old 10-14-2015, 08:59 AM   #15997
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If you run the SMC brass weight kit it was wonderful.

NO NEED TO CHANGE TO THE OLD YOKOMO B-max style Transmission Layout.

It works on low to med. traction. And works great on High bit.

Yokomo YZ-2


More info sir.

After spending 2 weeks testing the YZ-2 and the YZmax I've come to the conclusion that the way I have my YZ-2 setup it's every bit as good if not better than the YZmax.


Yokomo YZ-2

And the track I run is HARD CLAY And I don't spin my wheels at all.
How did I get here I don't remember clicking on any Yok thread

That's 102.9 grams! Plus the option to add another 60g with the battery weights. If you need to add that much weight, why run the lay down tranny. It might work, but it's not what I would do.
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They would also have to offer up a chassis as I doubt they would include a template for the user to have to drill out their own holes for all the new mounting locations. It would have to be a regular b5m chassis and not the lite as to offer more meat around the new holes...not that hard to do either. I think it would be cool to own a replica of the car but like others have said....they don't "owe" it to us.
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How did I get here I don't remember clicking on any Yok thread

That's 102.9 grams! Plus the option to add another 60g with the battery weights. If you need to add that much weight, why run the lay down tranny. It might work, but it's not what I would do.
LOL sorry.

Just want to share some info that was it.

No harm..

And yes its a lot a DANG Weight. But it works.

OK back to the Laydown Tranny.
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So this is the secret to making the laydown transmission work?
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So this is the secret to making the laydown transmission work?
That's what the TLR guys had to do

In all seriousness. If you're local TLR guys are running 22's with no brass, a lay down tranny might work on your track. Only track, dirt track, I can think of might be SRS in Az, and I think an indoor track in Florida runs on slicks too. Beachline maybe? Not sure..

You've gotta have serious grip to run a "center motor/laydown" set up..IMO (without having to add tons of weight)
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The first company to release a low profile transmission not 3D printed and doesn't run their company through facebook gets everyones business.
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The first company to release a low profile transmission not 3D printed and doesn't run their company through facebook gets everyones business.
Just to clarify, when you say "everyone" you mean those who actually have a use for a lay down tranny.
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Just to clarify, when you say "everyone" you mean those who actually have a use for a lay down tranny.
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Wow, that's a lot of brass Motorman! But if it works, hey, it works.

For AE to produce this lay down transmission they'd need to mold what, two transmission halves with the shock tower brace built into it, a new larger idler gear, a waterfall brace and cut a carbon fibre rear tower. Anything else? That's not a ton of work for them in the grand scheme of things. Yes, I know making a plastic mold is expensive, but so was making a 3 gear and look how that has gone.

I think carpet and Astro will only grow in popularity as we need them up here in areas above the snow belt, and with the added costs of finding indoor spaces to race, we often only have a place for a season or two before the rent gets too high and we're looking for a new home. Rolling up carpet is a lot easier and land lord friendlier than clay. It also gets those guys from on-road in on the action, you know they hate to get dirty! Some guys hate the fact that a track can jump up and bite them, they want to battle other drivers, not the track as well. I'm not one of those afraid of clay, we have an amazing covered coat rack in my town, but until you have tried a consistent surface, or lost your track to high rent or winter, you know you do what ya gotta do to race, which sometimes means carpet.
That is spot on.... Here we struggle to bring in new racers and our track is not in a prime location. I have wondered if a carpet track in a better location would grow the hobby. Good locations often means a landlord will not let you bring dirt in. I am not a carpet fan but whatever grows the hobby is best.
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