Team Associated RC10 B5m Mid-Motor Thread
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Tech Master
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I think the x rings should be standard equipment in the kit, pretty much a good thing 100% of the time.
The main thing happening here is that more weight is being placed on the rear tires because of where the motor is. For an RM car when you do this, you are shifting weight off the rear tires.
Tech Prophet
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It didnt make it more twitchy. Made the rear more planted and made the car push more. Now, I always run the rm rear arms with the RM front arms. Which is what I assumed the OP is doing. And twitchy it never made the car. It made the car easier to drive and more forgiving. I will be doing some tuning the the gullwings again this weekend. I want to try a couple things with my shock package and the gullwings.
Tech Prophet
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Anyone using 1.6 pistons with a car around 1540 grams on high bite? Just wanting to see what oil/springs you went with. I am at grey/grey and 32.5/30 oils.
Also, I have to give Kudos to AE for the B5M Lite car. Sure their QC leaves a lot of room for improvement, but they really deliver the product driver want as a full package. Kyosho and TLR both have light chassis. But neither seems interested in putting it into a kit. And only AE seems to release a car specifically configured for stock racing in MM. There are a few things I would have done differently with the B5M. But I have to say, AE is really ahead of the game in delivering kits the customers want/need. Sure everyone wants the FT right away and not wait a year, but still I think AE is ahead of the competition in a lot of ways. Now if the kits would just come with all the right parts and screws, lol.
Here is my "wish list from AE"
- screw down wing mounts
- Waterfall fan mount
- one piece front spindles in +2,3,4mm. The inserts get too much play in them, and I dont think a new design using inserts would be much better.
- A foamless battery mounting system.
Such a small list really. They already fixed the ball cups, gave us light weight chassis, a 3 gear MM tranny and many other goodies. I dont think my wish list will ever be made by AE. But Heck, I never thought they would release a light weight chassis.
Also, I have to give Kudos to AE for the B5M Lite car. Sure their QC leaves a lot of room for improvement, but they really deliver the product driver want as a full package. Kyosho and TLR both have light chassis. But neither seems interested in putting it into a kit. And only AE seems to release a car specifically configured for stock racing in MM. There are a few things I would have done differently with the B5M. But I have to say, AE is really ahead of the game in delivering kits the customers want/need. Sure everyone wants the FT right away and not wait a year, but still I think AE is ahead of the competition in a lot of ways. Now if the kits would just come with all the right parts and screws, lol.
Here is my "wish list from AE"
- screw down wing mounts
- Waterfall fan mount
- one piece front spindles in +2,3,4mm. The inserts get too much play in them, and I dont think a new design using inserts would be much better.
- A foamless battery mounting system.
Such a small list really. They already fixed the ball cups, gave us light weight chassis, a 3 gear MM tranny and many other goodies. I dont think my wish list will ever be made by AE. But Heck, I never thought they would release a light weight chassis.
Tech Lord
iTrader: (52)
Front:
MM tower + RM arms
19.5mm stroke (i think. Running 4mm limiters)
1.6x2 pistons
stock white spring
35 AE oil
Rear
MM arms
I don't recall stroke
1.6x2 pistons
stock green spring
30 AE oil
Tech Prophet
iTrader: (84)
MM tower and rm front arms. that explains the limiters. I brome my RM front tower last weekend and tried to see how the MM one would fit. it didnt look so hot, so I put the matching MM arms on. which hole did you use in the MM front tower?
Just switched from 17.5 To Mod (8.5) I love the speed of Mod, but at my local track its nowhere near as competitive as the stock class, so im hoping a few other guys switch over. Will lightening the car in Mod improve or hinder the performance on the track, the track is already slightly bumpy and medium traction. I have a feeling it will hinder the performance pulling a ton of weight out of it.. Was just curious your guys's opinion.
Tech Prophet
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Just switched from 17.5 To Mod (8.5) I love the speed of Mod, but at my local track its nowhere near as competitive as the stock class, so im hoping a few other guys switch over. Will lightening the car in Mod improve or hinder the performance on the track, the track is already slightly bumpy and medium traction. I have a feeling it will hinder the performance pulling a ton of weight out of it.. Was just curious your guys's opinion.
Tech Lord
iTrader: (52)
MM tower works great. It's 2mm lower, so you need to limit your shocks 2 extra mm to match. On the front, I run outer hole on the arm, and mid or inner hole on the tower. Rear, I run inner hole on the arm, middle hole on the tower.
Tech Regular
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Hello,
I'm pretty happy with how the b5m behaves now on thick carpet but I'd like to know how can you gain rear grip in entry/breaking corner ? The rear snaps too early.
I'm having the theory that more anti squat would limit weight transfer while breaking. I've put in 3° toe in with 2° antisquat and would like to test the 3°toe in + 3° antisquat.
My idea is that as it's rwd the deceleration in governed by the rear wheel as the front is just free wheeling.
Therefore the force is more of a CG/rear anti squat geometry matter. more anti squat = a force more directed at the CG hence less weight transfer while accelerating but also less transfer while breaking. And more weight on the rear = more grip in entry corner under breaking.
Can you confirm or explain why this would be wrong ? And if possible how to gain rear grip in this situation.
My setup :
Front:
45wt 2x1.6piston std position
B5 arm with B5 shock tower
Red springs
25° kick up with 5° caster
0° toe with 1° camber
std ackerman
std camber link position with no shims (HRC)
Short wheelbase
Low profile cut staggers yellow schumacher tires
Rear
25wt 2x1.7piston
B5 rear arm
Green springs
3° toe in and 2°antisquat
1° camber
Std camber link position with no shims (HRC)
Shortest wheelbase
Ball diff
120g weight set behind battery (partialy around motor) with shorty rearwards.
Mini Pin yellow schumacher with medium foams.
Apart from the lack of breaking she's pretty much dialed to me I'm faster than the fastest 4wd at the club as it is.
Thank you very much in advance for your help
Jonathan
I'm pretty happy with how the b5m behaves now on thick carpet but I'd like to know how can you gain rear grip in entry/breaking corner ? The rear snaps too early.
I'm having the theory that more anti squat would limit weight transfer while breaking. I've put in 3° toe in with 2° antisquat and would like to test the 3°toe in + 3° antisquat.
My idea is that as it's rwd the deceleration in governed by the rear wheel as the front is just free wheeling.
Therefore the force is more of a CG/rear anti squat geometry matter. more anti squat = a force more directed at the CG hence less weight transfer while accelerating but also less transfer while breaking. And more weight on the rear = more grip in entry corner under breaking.
Can you confirm or explain why this would be wrong ? And if possible how to gain rear grip in this situation.
My setup :
Front:
45wt 2x1.6piston std position
B5 arm with B5 shock tower
Red springs
25° kick up with 5° caster
0° toe with 1° camber
std ackerman
std camber link position with no shims (HRC)
Short wheelbase
Low profile cut staggers yellow schumacher tires
Rear
25wt 2x1.7piston
B5 rear arm
Green springs
3° toe in and 2°antisquat
1° camber
Std camber link position with no shims (HRC)
Shortest wheelbase
Ball diff
120g weight set behind battery (partialy around motor) with shorty rearwards.
Mini Pin yellow schumacher with medium foams.
Apart from the lack of breaking she's pretty much dialed to me I'm faster than the fastest 4wd at the club as it is.
Thank you very much in advance for your help
Jonathan