137LikesTeam Associated RC10 B5m Mid-Motor & Rear Motor Thread
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03-23-2014, 12:44 AM
#6886
03-23-2014, 07:49 AM
#6888
Tech Regular
So of note from my trip to San Diego and evening of racing at SDRC was that I finally experienced the on power push everyone has been complaining about. Clearly bumps and jumps is high bite as I've not had issue until now. I spoke with AE sponsored driver Tyler Hicks about his suggestions to get more on power steering and he did not suggest the Ackerman or trail adjustments everyone here seems to go to. Instead he suggested to go to the 2.5 deg rear toe plate only 1mm on the ball stud shims (rather than the stock 2mm I was running) and going to the lower rear tower height with my shorty forward and some weight up front. This did help and I think it would have been good if I had open cell foams up front. I only had two sets of wheels with me and he felt the set I had been racing on was shot (tires swelled and too much air gap) so the set I used had closed cells. I think the added turn in with open cells would have really brought it in...as it was I got pretty comfortable with it.
So was his approach just different and maybe colored by not having the same trail and Ackerman adjustment options on the B4.2? Just a different approach to tuning?
So was his approach just different and maybe colored by not having the same trail and Ackerman adjustment options on the B4.2? Just a different approach to tuning?
Adjustments can have close to same same result, but differ a slight bit in execution. Making one change to get rid of a front push could cause a car to become edgier to drive whereas another change can result in the same removal of the push and not so edgy. I personally like a more direct feeling car so my adjustments made are geared to fix my problem but can also make my car too twitchy feeling for others. Not a fast guy either, just like what I like.
03-23-2014, 07:55 AM
#6889
Now that the car has been out for a while, what batteries have you or the faster guys at your track settled on?
I'm using shorties but I haven't tried a saddle yet and I don't think I want the weight of the square. For me, I think I would like a little more weight that a saddle offers to possibly take away some of the snap. Yesterday was the third run on my car and I'm getting faster with it but I'm still not as consistent with it as my b4. It will come as I change set ups but I want to try a heavier battery to see how I like it.
I'm using shorties but I haven't tried a saddle yet and I don't think I want the weight of the square. For me, I think I would like a little more weight that a saddle offers to possibly take away some of the snap. Yesterday was the third run on my car and I'm getting faster with it but I'm still not as consistent with it as my b4. It will come as I change set ups but I want to try a heavier battery to see how I like it.
03-23-2014, 07:58 AM
#6890
03-23-2014, 08:01 AM
#6891
I ordered a full replacement set of bearings as well but I haven't had any issues with the kit bearings knock on wood. They leaked a tiny bit but they are rolling super smooth.
03-23-2014, 08:09 AM
#6892
Tech Addict
you guys are funny...
I went to a high bite indoor track yesterday... really high traction clay... there were quite a few people practicing so it was good testing time.
there were 2 other people there with ae cars .. one a mid and other a rear. the one guy was weight obsessed like a lot of you.. he had modded the rear for the puck system, drilled out his slipper and was only using one pad system.. all alloy screws and even drilled out the plastic parts that mount to chassis. my car with just a few light parts came in 1 ounce heavier then his on the shop scale.. mine was 1/4 over min. weight and his was 3/4 under.. he kept saying but he could put the weight where he wanted that way.. ok..
on the track we were doing fun 10 lap races.. no computer... just about 5 of us lining up and saying go... well in 10 laps I lapped this guy 3 times...lol
i also tried the gullwing arms back to back with the straight arms ... tower switch was easy and the straight arms felt like they had a little slower smoother steering but i don't think its really the arms making that feel as i think its more the tower... the holes for mounting on the straight arm parts are lower and about 1 hole in from the gullwing tower.. anytime you lay your suspension in it will do the same thing. its more about changing shock angles then plastic angles on the arm. i actually preferred the feel of the gullwing setup.
I went to a high bite indoor track yesterday... really high traction clay... there were quite a few people practicing so it was good testing time.
there were 2 other people there with ae cars .. one a mid and other a rear. the one guy was weight obsessed like a lot of you.. he had modded the rear for the puck system, drilled out his slipper and was only using one pad system.. all alloy screws and even drilled out the plastic parts that mount to chassis. my car with just a few light parts came in 1 ounce heavier then his on the shop scale.. mine was 1/4 over min. weight and his was 3/4 under.. he kept saying but he could put the weight where he wanted that way.. ok..
on the track we were doing fun 10 lap races.. no computer... just about 5 of us lining up and saying go... well in 10 laps I lapped this guy 3 times...lol
i also tried the gullwing arms back to back with the straight arms ... tower switch was easy and the straight arms felt like they had a little slower smoother steering but i don't think its really the arms making that feel as i think its more the tower... the holes for mounting on the straight arm parts are lower and about 1 hole in from the gullwing tower.. anytime you lay your suspension in it will do the same thing. its more about changing shock angles then plastic angles on the arm. i actually preferred the feel of the gullwing setup.
03-23-2014, 08:24 AM
#6893
how big of a motor are you running in it?
03-23-2014, 08:56 AM
#6894
you guys are funny...
I went to a high bite indoor track yesterday... really high traction clay... there were quite a few people practicing so it was good testing time.
there were 2 other people there with ae cars .. one a mid and other a rear. the one guy was weight obsessed like a lot of you.. he had modded the rear for the puck system, drilled out his slipper and was only using one pad system.. all alloy screws and even drilled out the plastic parts that mount to chassis. my car with just a few light parts came in 1 ounce heavier then his on the shop scale.. mine was 1/4 over min. weight and his was 3/4 under.. he kept saying but he could put the weight where he wanted that way.. ok..
on the track we were doing fun 10 lap races.. no computer... just about 5 of us lining up and saying go... well in 10 laps I lapped this guy 3 times...lol
i also tried the gullwing arms back to back with the straight arms ... tower switch was easy and the straight arms felt like they had a little slower smoother steering but i don't think its really the arms making that feel as i think its more the tower... the holes for mounting on the straight arm parts are lower and about 1 hole in from the gullwing tower.. anytime you lay your suspension in it will do the same thing. its more about changing shock angles then plastic angles on the arm. i actually preferred the feel of the gullwing setup.
I went to a high bite indoor track yesterday... really high traction clay... there were quite a few people practicing so it was good testing time.
there were 2 other people there with ae cars .. one a mid and other a rear. the one guy was weight obsessed like a lot of you.. he had modded the rear for the puck system, drilled out his slipper and was only using one pad system.. all alloy screws and even drilled out the plastic parts that mount to chassis. my car with just a few light parts came in 1 ounce heavier then his on the shop scale.. mine was 1/4 over min. weight and his was 3/4 under.. he kept saying but he could put the weight where he wanted that way.. ok..
on the track we were doing fun 10 lap races.. no computer... just about 5 of us lining up and saying go... well in 10 laps I lapped this guy 3 times...lol
i also tried the gullwing arms back to back with the straight arms ... tower switch was easy and the straight arms felt like they had a little slower smoother steering but i don't think its really the arms making that feel as i think its more the tower... the holes for mounting on the straight arm parts are lower and about 1 hole in from the gullwing tower.. anytime you lay your suspension in it will do the same thing. its more about changing shock angles then plastic angles on the arm. i actually preferred the feel of the gullwing setup.
03-23-2014, 09:48 AM
#6896
Now that the car has been out for a while, what batteries have you or the faster guys at your track settled on?
I'm using shorties but I haven't tried a saddle yet and I don't think I want the weight of the square. For me, I think I would like a little more weight that a saddle offers to possibly take away some of the snap. Yesterday was the third run on my car and I'm getting faster with it but I'm still not as consistent with it as my b4. It will come as I change set ups but I want to try a heavier battery to see how I like it.
I'm using shorties but I haven't tried a saddle yet and I don't think I want the weight of the square. For me, I think I would like a little more weight that a saddle offers to possibly take away some of the snap. Yesterday was the third run on my car and I'm getting faster with it but I'm still not as consistent with it as my b4. It will come as I change set ups but I want to try a heavier battery to see how I like it.
03-23-2014, 10:16 AM
#6898
03-23-2014, 10:26 AM
#6899
aluminum top shafts back in stock at team associated
03-23-2014, 12:26 PM
#6900
Weight in ANY form of motorsport is important. In 17.5 in the heart of the manufactures we have a minimum of 25 17.5 buggies show up for a Friday night or Sunday afternoon club race. Any and all advantages are needed to be competitive. If I have to race Sean C, Barry Baker, and Tim Tunnerman, among others I want to be as light as possible.