WonTonsChicken

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Just to clarify, when you say more steering. Is that off power, on?

Is there a noticeable difference in rear toe? I know that the RM arms are the "craze" right now, but Im just curious as to why. Sorry, gotta be the one to question a good thing..

Thanks again fellas!

Cpt.America

iTrader: (52)

It doesn't change the toe, just the wheelbase and shaft plunge. (giggity)

Mason

By "Edge through the infield" I am guessing you need front end steering. The info dbowen has given you will tighten up the rear end. Looking at your setup sheet I think you can gain a lot with a few simple changes. Ditch the gullwing front arms and tower for the flat arms and flat tower. This will make the operating window of the front end much easier to manage. Second switch to the 25 deg kick up. This will allow some more weight transfer to the front. After that try out the 3 mm trailing. This will speed up overall steering response. If the car/tires are not struggling to maintain traction then I would look at raising the roll center to speed up response.

Socket

iTrader: (61)

Mason, I respect your response here, but to me the RM front arms and tower took away initial turn in, and took away on power steering. I went to the gullwings and tower, and gained all of this back,

This was on a med/high bite in door track.

Wildcat1971

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The flat arms definitely take away initial turn in. But they make the car smoother through the entire turn. My main issue with the gulwings, was that the car would turn in hard and the front end would dump over. Then, the rear would kinda jack knife. I went RM arms for a more linear feel. Removing ackerman washers, also seems to really make the car turn in harder, but it also induces that "jacking" feeling of the gulwings for me.


Also, for more steering, I have been playing with 2.5-2 toe/squat and using the RM .5 hub inserts (the toe the hub out .5mm). I just got the alum suspension holders, so I will try 2.5x1 with the RM .5mm hub inserts.

Socket

iTrader: (61)

I hadn't had that issue at all with the gullwings. I was however lacking initial turn in, and also on power steering at warehouse 3. The change to the gullwings gave me more turn in, and more on power, while also making the car roll more through the corner.

dbowen

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According to his setup sheet he runs on the same type of track I do medium to high bite and I run the exact same setup I just gave him (with the Flat arms which I forgot he was running the gulls) and white front spring and I NEVER struggle for steering I have more than enough. Cav even ran the same rear end setup at Spektrum where the grip was very high.

Wildcat1971

iTrader: (84)

I honestly dont recall the on power steering when I tried the gulwings. And the dumping seemed more pronounced in the sharper turns. The current W3 layout is super flowing. The MM arms are good to have in the box for tuning and are a tuning option. I throw them back on every once in a while to play with. At the end of the day, not everyone has the same driving style and wants the same things from the car. That is why having all of these tuning options on the car are great.

Also, warehouse 3 is weird. lol. That place is super tire dependent. I always leave there frustrated. The one week I borrowed someone's tires, was the only time I enjoyed myself.

Skeeter36

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W3 is definitely one of those tracks where it helps to know somebody that knows something about the tire situation. I struggled really bad my first time there.

WonTonsChicken

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I will definately be trying these suggestions. Thanks!
However, I am becoming more confused by hearing two different things about lowering and raising roll center. Since I have 2mm in there right now, if I went to 1mm, would this give me more on power steering? Or more off power? And vice versa?

Granted, everyone's driving style may be different, and I think that my style would be more of a Cav type.. If that helps in advice giving..

With adding more anti-squat, what (if any) were other areas that you noticed to suffer due to more anti-squat?

Thanks again fellas

Socket

iTrader: (61)

I think the track has been kept on the moister (is that a word?!) side, which has made it much more consistent than months before now. A buddy did my set of tires for me, and they've been perfect, from practice to mains both times I've been to W3.

Wildcat1971

iTrader: (84)

Most anti squat, means the rear squats less on power. This "should" mean more on power steering. But I ran 2.5-2 because that is what the kit comes with, lol. I mainly wanted less rear toe. But I recently found out a few local team drivers have been trying 2.5-2 also.

TJ Hart

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Could someone explain to me what advantages and tuning options are accessible with the aluminum hubs?

Skeeter36

iTrader: (32)

Well for one they are a lot more durable and the ballstuds wont back out as easily as the kit hubs,just make sure you use a dab of loctite. Also you get a lot finer roll center adjustments not to mention they just look cool lol.

Wildcat1971

iTrader: (84)

you can NOT do hub toe on them. Just vertical ball studs for finer roll center tuning.