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Old 02-16-2014, 06:41 AM   #1006
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Change ? Boy you have no idea what kind of changes you will be going through. We mid-motored gold tubs BITD...


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No one thought mid motor was good on dirt. I think it was Hara who proved it was competitive at the 2013 Reedy roc. He was driving rb6 mid motor. Saw a video of a b4 mm conversion going fast on a low to medium bite track. I bet if setup correctly mm cars are just as fast if not faster on low traction too. But that's just a guess. In a month when the b5m is out ill do some testing.
Xfactory has been racing MM cars on dirt for a while (before Hara).

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Track layout is not only advantageous depending on rm or mm, but also each brand has their strengths.
I disagree the notion that MM does better on certain types of layouts vs. RM on other types of layouts. That just seems, well, mis-informed, naive and without merit.

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Before, mm was considered crap on anything except astroturf. Just saying, who knows, with the right setup mm might be just as good on slick track, maybe not. But there are videos out there showing potential.
You make two different points here, which is it?

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Never drove mm buggy yet but always willing to try new things. Will probably end up getting both
So why are you making generalized statements about something you know nothing about?

I think your username fits pretty well, the "latent" part specifically.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:30 AM   #1007
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Great--out of nowhere a huge debate starts on RM vs MM--cool it dudes!!
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:43 AM   #1008
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Go on YouTube and look up JBRL 2013 Rainmans. That's my home track and was a couple of months old at that race. Our guys hadn't quite got the watering schedule down, and for whatever reason that particular track set up would look dark but the racing line had like glazed over and was very slick. Kody N. and Jimmy B from associated were both running the Centro conversion and throwing down some serious lap times. I'm sure their skill helped but you can see how slick the track was. I believe Cody T was running his Kyosho rear motor at that race and Kody was putting a lap on him.
Can you provide a link? I could not find the video you mention
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@Jiuhawong keep working on your reading and comprehension.
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:19 AM   #1011
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@Jiuhawong keep working on your reading and comprehension.
English is not my primary language.

I don't see it pertinent to take advice from someone with an obvious third grade level education.
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Anyone know how long the sensor wire will need to be?
Trying to get things together for this..
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English is not my primary language.
Obviously.

If you want to keep arguing feel free to pm me so that no one has to see this bs. I won't respond to you here
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Obviously.

If you want to keep arguing feel free to pm me so that no one has to see this bs. I won't respond to you here
No thanks, but I agree that we should move on.
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question for you guys who have done MM versus RM recently, regardless of brand, etc.

In general, when you had say tire compound "A" work for RM, when you went MM on the same track, how much of a change did you notice by going with a different compound specifically for MM?

What I am wondering is how much of a change in compound can help with gaining traction for MM versus what RM is seeing. So say an M3 compound works great for RM, but you need more traction, maybe M4 then for MM?

last time I ran a MM vehicle was a conversion back when the Academy GV2 was still being supported in the USA, a PSI Racing conversion that when we tuned the rear end for traction, it was very fast and planted. Watching a fellow racer with his SCT version of the conversion turn inside the RM designs consistently versus what he was able to do with RM on very loose conditions here really peaked my interest in seeing a MM design in the future from the likes of AE.

Anyway, right now toying with the idea of picking one up.
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http://youtu.be/iAu6j95uInE

Don't know if this has been posted here, but it gives a couple good looks at the car that are hard to see in pics as well as a brief shot of the back of the car.
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Just pre-ordered through my LHS. Should be good!
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Don't know if this has been posted here, but it gives a couple good looks at the car that are hard to see in pics as well as a brief shot of the back of the car.
Cool link--Thanks! I sooooooooooo can't wait anymore!!!
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I wonder how this will balance out weight wise with a 200g shorty vs the 300g square
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question for you guys who have done MM versus RM recently, regardless of brand, etc.

In general, when you had say tire compound "A" work for RM, when you went MM on the same track, how much of a change did you notice by going with a different compound specifically for MM?

What I am wondering is how much of a change in compound can help with gaining traction for MM versus what RM is seeing. So say an M3 compound works great for RM, but you need more traction, maybe M4 then for MM?

last time I ran a MM vehicle was a conversion back when the Academy GV2 was still being supported in the USA, a PSI Racing conversion that when we tuned the rear end for traction, it was very fast and planted. Watching a fellow racer with his SCT version of the conversion turn inside the RM designs consistently versus what he was able to do with RM on very loose conditions here really peaked my interest in seeing a MM design in the future from the likes of AE.

Anyway, right now toying with the idea of picking one up.
I can only speak for myself, but run almost exclusively mid-motor mod at an indoor track that can be anywhere from low to medium-high grip depending on prep and the time of year. With mid, I *sometimes* liked a tread that had just a bit more sidebite. In the late spring/summer I might switch from clay to SS compounds for the rear. By comparison, with RM I'd never switch to SS tires on our track. In even the slickest, lowest grip conditions on a track that has a rep for being loose, I would always run MM and be faster.

So, definitely mess around with tires. I'd guess that if your track is really high grip, you'll still settle on the same tires. I think some people give up on MM too soon before figuring the tire situation and setup out.
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