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Old 11-21-2014, 11:41 AM   #9226
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I run on a Med-med/high traction clay track and I'm running 3+1.5 and my car is hooked up.
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I'm assuming you are running a 3/1 toe block with .5 deg in the hub?

Skrichter, you are reading the numbers incorrectly... He is running the C block that would give 3* inboard toe, and 1.5* rear anti squat.
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hey guys, had my first run last weekend with my b5m and seems I have very weak braking. I know its not the electronics because I tried different esc, motor, receiver. I am running a gear diff and the slipper was set loose because of traction. I think i remember hearing a loose slipper can cause weak brakes but just wondering how to get good brakes and also let the slipper slip coming out of turns.
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Just have to tighten it up some. Yes, the slipper can slip both under acceleration as well as braking. Also, depending on your slipper (if you are on Avid) you could go to a more aggressive pad (red). May help.
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hey guys, had my first run last weekend with my b5m and seems I have very weak braking. I know its not the electronics because I tried different esc, motor, receiver. I am running a gear diff and the slipper was set loose because of traction. I think i remember hearing a loose slipper can cause weak brakes but just wondering how to get good brakes and also let the slipper slip coming out of turns.
The slipper is a shock absorber for the gearbox. You don't want to set it uncharacteristically loose, as if to act as a clutch to aid in throttle control. That isn't what it is there for, and you will just burn it up. You don't "let the slipper slip coming out of turns".
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The slipper is a shock absorber for the gearbox. You don't want to set it uncharacteristically loose, as if to act as a clutch to aid in throttle control. That isn't what it is there for, and you will just burn it up. You don't "let the slipper slip coming out of turns".
Well a Factory Team Associated driver did it for me so cant imagine he would advise me to do something that doesn't work and/or would damage my car. And it wasn't set loose for throttle control, its set loose for traction control and yes that is what a slipper is designed for, the slipper reduces wheelspin as the car accelerates from low speeds, so the car accelerates faster and is less prone to spin out exiting turns on slick tracks. Additionally and more obviously the slipper reduces sudden forces on the inside of the transmission.

But the issue is my brakes.
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Well a Factory Team Associated driver did it for me so cant imagine he would advise me to do something that doesn't work and/or would damage my car. And it wasn't set loose for throttle control, its set loose for traction control and yes that is what a slipper is designed for, the slipper reduces wheelspin as the car accelerates from low speeds, so the car accelerates faster and is less prone to spin out exiting turns on slick tracks. Additionally and more obviously the slipper reduces sudden forces on the inside of the transmission.

But the issue is my brakes.
Seems the slipper would have to be way loose to have much impact on braking. There is less weight on the rear tires under braking than when accelerating with a 2wd. Typically a 2wd needs the brakes turned down with the ESC/radio quite a bit to prevent excessive lockups, at least in my experience with various brands of each component. Way too loose in my opinion, I'd be concerned the slipper would heat up and be inconsistent over the run.

Of course that's not what you asked, but it's easy enough to test, just tighten the slipper some and see if the brakes improve.
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Well a Factory Team Associated driver did it for me so cant imagine he would advise me to do something that doesn't work and/or would damage my car. And it wasn't set loose for throttle control, its set loose for traction control and yes that is what a slipper is designed for, the slipper reduces wheelspin as the car accelerates from low speeds, so the car accelerates faster and is less prone to spin out exiting turns on slick tracks. Additionally and more obviously the slipper reduces sudden forces on the inside of the transmission.

But the issue is my brakes.
Actually a slipper clutch is not designed for traction control at all...

The slipper clutch protects the drive train. It slips in order to protect the drive axle joints and the gears in the gearbox from overloading while slaming on the brakes after landing from a jump
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Pardon my ignorance here, but building my B5M after switching from another brand. Building the shocks, and the spring cups have different lengths. I assume this is the "offset" the manual talks about, but where is this offset measured from?

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Pardon my ignorance here, but building my B5M after switching from another brand. Building the shocks, and the spring cups have different lengths. I assume this is the "offset" the manual talks about, but where is this offset measured from?

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Just use the spring cups that give you plenty of thread in both directions on the shock body when your car is at race-ready right height. Takes 3 seconds to swap them. Without looking.. i think the medium ones?
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Actually a slipper clutch is not designed for traction control at all...

The slipper clutch protects the drive train. It slips in order to protect the drive axle joints and the gears in the gearbox from overloading while slaming on the brakes after landing from a jump
I think some people use it as a traction tune when the track is loose and throttle finger is heavy though that may not be the intended purpose it is there. I know when our track gets loose a few guys start loosening their slipper.
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hey guys, had my first run last weekend with my b5m and seems I have very weak braking. I know its not the electronics because I tried different esc, motor, receiver. I am running a gear diff and the slipper was set loose because of traction. I think i remember hearing a loose slipper can cause weak brakes but just wondering how to get good brakes and also let the slipper slip coming out of turns.
If you've ruled out the car electronics and the slipper isn't so loose it's about to fall off, then look at your radio end points, dual rate, and make sure it's calibrated to your speedo correctly. Also check the brakes programmed into the esc.
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Everyone has given great suggestions to fixing your brakes. If none of it works the only other thing it could be is your diff. If it is installed backwards they can loosen up significantly. I know it sounds dumb but apparently it can happen. The diff nut should be on the drivers side of the car
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Everyone has given great suggestions to fixing your brakes. If none of it works the only other thing it could be is your diff. If it is installed backwards they can loosen up significantly. I know it sounds dumb but apparently it can happen. The diff nut should be on the drivers side of the car
The thrust bearing hex should be opposite of the spur gear not on the same side
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So im running the b4 2 disc , garodisc slipper. What is the best way to adjust? Im having a hard time. It seems that its loose where it should be, but once warmed up its like its locked. If i loosen it a hair then it just slips. Any advise?
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I'm not new to RC so thanks for all the suggestions but I've tried all radio, esc, motor, basically all electronic stuff. So that is why I came here to ask about the b5m specifically and I'm not here to argue about the purposes of slippers, yes it does help with drivetrain impact as I said as well but it also helps w traction control whether you want to use it that way it is up to you but all that aside, still can't figure out my brakes haha, as I mentioned I'm not running a ball diff, just put a gear diff in, first time using a gear diff in a 2wd, can these be put in backwards and effect brakes?
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