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Old 06-12-2014, 05:46 AM   #5206
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Does anybody actually know if the hard is heavier or lighter than the stock plastics?
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Went from the gullwing arms to flat arms.... flat arms seemed to suit my driving much better. If anyone has been considering it try, i think you will like it
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ok, so I completed my first night with my MM converted car. The only upgrades I ran were traxxas xrings, 2 Ti turnbuckles and an AVID triad slipper. I ending up running a total of about 7 packs at about 5 -6 minutes each. This includes 2 heats and a main. We had 34 drivers in 17.5 buggy and I qualified 12th. But now lets get to numbers. RM vs MM.

Best run of 17.5 with RM
16 laps 5:20.6
Fast lap 19.01
Top 5 19.242
Top 10 19.452
Top 15 19.815

Best run of MM on same layout
15 laps 5:00.551
Fast lap 19.043
Top 5 19.376
Top 10 19.606
Top 15 20.037


Conclusion. I am still faster with the RM car in 17.5. I was really surprised that my times were not better, because the MM car "felt" faster and "better". I probably was losing some time in the single short run up double and I occasionally slapped and slid the car over a big double. But in other parts of the track, the car felt much better. Also, this layout has a lot of 180's, so the thing that the MM is supposed to be really good at, didnt exist. If the track was more flowing, I am sure the MM would come out on top. I also only have a few packs on the MM and probably close to 100 on the rm. Also, my MM car weighted in at 1650 grams and my RM car is 1525. But, I am not sure I would ever want the MM car at 1525. Probably 1575 -1590 would be a weight. The MM car was definitely looser in the rear, but I think the weight made the car more stuck. And it still felt pretty nimble. And I really really need to find out what Spencer Rivkin is running for a shock packs. He was long jumping, and flat landing, rear landing, front landing and side landing the big air jump and hit car made no sound at all landing it. And it was not because he was fast, we landed that thing every which way but loose and it landed like a cat. Pretty much every other b5m slapped and bounced trying that. I did ask one AE driver what shock package he was running.....He told me he didnt know, Spencer did his shocks....rofl. Anyway, summery... I really liked the MM car, but IMO its way too heavy for 17.5 indoor medium bite at stock weight.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:49 AM   #5209
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Went from the gullwing arms to flat arms.... flat arms seemed to suit my driving much better. If anyone has been considering it try, i think you will like it
Since i converted my RM car, I just left the flat arms and rear arms on the car. Car seemed good with them. Had plenty of smooth predicable steering. I see no reason to put the gulwings on.
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ok, so I completed my first night with my MM converted car. The only upgrades I ran were traxxas xrings, 2 Ti turnbuckles and an AVID triad slipper. I ending up running a total of about 7 packs at about 5 -6 minutes each. This includes 2 heats and a main. We had 34 drivers in 17.5 buggy and I qualified 12th. But now lets get to numbers. RM vs MM.

Best run of 17.5 with RM
16 laps 5:20.6
Fast lap 19.01
Top 5 19.242
Top 10 19.452
Top 15 19.815

Best run of MM on same layout
15 laps 5:00.551
Fast lap 19.043
Top 5 19.376
Top 10 19.606
Top 15 20.037


Conclusion. I am still faster with the RM car in 17.5. I was really surprised that my times were not better, because the MM car "felt" faster and "better". I probably was losing some time in the single short run up double and I occasionally slapped and slid the car over a big double. But in other parts of the track, the car felt much better. Also, this layout has a lot of 180's, so the thing that the MM is supposed to be really good at, didnt exist. If the track was more flowing, I am sure the MM would come out on top. I also only have a few packs on the MM and probably close to 100 on the rm. Also, my MM car weighted in at 1650 grams and my RM car is 1525. But, I am not sure I would ever want the MM car at 1525. Probably 1575 -1590 would be a weight. The MM car was definitely looser in the rear, but I think the weight made the car more stuck. And it still felt pretty nimble. And I really really need to find out what Spencer Rivkin is running for a shock packs. He was long jumping, and flat landing, rear landing, front landing and side landing the big air jump and hit car made no sound at all landing it. And it was not because he was fast, we landed that thing every which way but loose and it landed like a cat. Pretty much every other b5m slapped and bounced trying that. I did ask one AE driver what shock package he was running.....He told me he didnt know, Spencer did his shocks....rofl. Anyway, summery... I really liked the MM car, but IMO its way too heavy for 17.5 indoor medium bite at stock weight.
Considering you only have 1 day on the MM, it seems like it'll be faster once you get used to it.
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Considering you only have 1 day on the MM, it seems like it'll be faster once you get used to it.
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Does anybody actually know if the hard is heavier or lighter than the stock plastics?
I don't know about weight, but I can tell you they are extremely brittle.

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I was faster with my RM vs the MM as well at first. I thought I made a huge mistake with the MM. After about a month of fine tuning I am now faster on the same track with the MM by a pretty good amount of time, and I still have room to improve. Summer is dead for indoor around here usually less that 10 cars in 17.5. I use this time to try new stuff. With the car all stock and a shorty pack I was weighing 1642g. I put Schelle slipper, aluminum top shaft, aluminum screw kit on it. Still a little heavy, but some of the weight I saved I put it back on with aluminum hubs and a few other things. It's now around 1580. I set fast lap time last night so I am where I need to be now I think. I think with MM you have to give it a little more time to fine tune, which really frustrated me at first. I feel good about sticking with MM into the fall when the season starts again.
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Considering you only have 1 day on the MM, it seems like it'll be faster once you get used to it.
Yeah, the "felt" good. Less squarish in the corners. I just need to figure out how to take better advantage of MM. I am sure i was driving it just like I do my RM car, lol. In fact....Aside from the shock package....I left the RM setup on the car when I converted it to MM It was a much better experience than when I tried MM outdoors. I am going outdoors this weekend, but not really sure I want to get my car filthy running it on the track, lol.
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I was faster with my RM vs the MM as well at first. I thought I made a huge mistake with the MM. After about a month of fine tuning I am now faster on the same track with the MM by a pretty good amount of time, and I still have room to improve. Summer is dead for indoor around here usually less that 10 cars in 17.5. I use this time to try new stuff. With the car all stock and a shorty pack I was weighing 1642g. I put Schelle slipper, aluminum top shaft, aluminum screw kit on it. Still a little heavy, but some of the weight I saved I put it back on with aluminum hubs and a few other things. It's now around 1580. I set fast lap time last night so I am where I need to be now I think. I think with MM you have to give it a little more time to fine tune, which really frustrated me at first. I feel good about sticking with MM into the fall when the season starts again.
Yeah, I converted my backup car because I planned to spend some time with the MM trying things. To be honest, it went much better than I expected it too.

Side note: Why the hell does indoor season die in the summer? Its 110+ degrees here, I have no desire top be outdoors.

Side Side Note: SRS is opening indoors next week. And they "copies" the dirt mix from WCRC. So its going to be a higher bite indoor clay track. They have a grand opening race weekend coming up, if you can make the drive you should.

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Considering you only have 1 day on the MM, it seems like it'll be faster once you get used to it.
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Side note: Why the hell does indoor season die in the summer? Its 110+ degrees here, I have no desire top be outdoors.
Nitro season, amongst other summertime activities. Additionally, most of our indoor tracks don't have A/C.
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Yeah, the "felt" good. Less squarish in the corners. I just need to figure out how to take better advantage of MM. I am sure i was driving it just like I do my RM car, lol. In fact....Aside from the shock package....I left the RM setup on the car when I converted it to MM It was a much better experience than when I tried MM outdoors. I am going outdoors this weekend, but not really sure I want to get my car filthy running it on the track, lol.
One of the biggest changes that I hear everyone talk about was that moment they had an epiphany and changed their diff setting drastically. Diffs in RM and MM were very very different for us common folk. Maybe something for you to look at

Oh and about the jumping... in the words of the great Mike Gay.... "that's what downsides are for"
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Nitro season, amongst other summertime activities. Additionally, most of our indoor tracks don't have A/C.
That and there's something to be said about whipping an 8 pound ebuggy 40 feet through the air
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Ah, yeah I used to race nitro. Fun, but way to expensive and losing a race to a flamout just pissed me off. Plus I dont want to kill off my 9 year old just yet. Maybe when she is a teen We dont have AC here indoor either...we have swamp coolers, lol. I guess they are much cheaper to use than AC, but they add a bunch of humidity.


Bob, your a funny guy, lol. I do downside jumps. We have a single double, but if you pull up to down side the single, you lose too much time. I just had to work on how far to jump, so I had enough run up in the double. I pretty much got all of the jumps figured out in practice.


Also, my last couple laps were 21's because.....some guys was weaving back and forth in the rythm section, so i had to pull up and pick the right time to pass, so I made a clean pass, but last time. And the last lap, I knew i was close to a 16 lap run and was pushing it and i freaking had it, but a guy crashed on the last corner before the straight, so I say this and adjusted my line, but the turn marshal run into the turn and flip the guy, so I had to take a really wide line to avoid the marshal. And of course the guy got flipped as I was going buy and I had to dodge him as I raced to the line. I easily lost the .5 seconds I needed for a 16 laps run in the last corner. That best run I had with the RM car was pretty much flawless. No one got in my way and I was able to hammer out clean laps. So I definitely think I will be faster over all with the MM car.
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