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Old 08-07-2013, 11:30 PM   #1
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Default TLR 22 2.0 Race Kit: 1/10 2WD Buggy thread

Well, it is finally here, the 22 2.0 Buggy Kit. Just announced minutes ago on TLRacing.com, the 22 2.0 is a project I have been working on very hard with the great team of people we have at TLR the past several months. We couldn't be happier with the car as it is, and think you guys will really enjoy it.

To put it simply, this car is much easier to drive than the original 22, but still laser quick around the track. There are way to many details to cover in a single post, so I'll just direct you to the product page for more info:

http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...rodID=TLR03002

Also, all of the replacement and option parts can be found under "Products-->What's New". Some of the content isn't loaded yet, like a nice video we did to explain all the new features, and a gallery full of detail shots. I hope we can be sure that is all up first thing in the morning. This car is awesome, and I can't wait for you all to enjoy it with us!!!

Alright, I am sorry it took so long, but I wanted to go ahead and update the first page with as much of the info on the 22 2.0 as I could. Please see below:

22 2.0 Product Page - http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...rodId=TLR03002

22 2.0 Video - http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...rodId=TLR03002
This video explains just about everything you'll need to know about the 22 2.0 including what parts were changed, why, how they affect how the car drives, what the upgrades were, and much more. It is very worth of the 45 minute watch time if you are considering the 22 2.0.

22 2.0 Manual File - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...002_manual.pdf

22 2.0 Parts Explosion - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...loded_View.pdf

22 2.0 Setups:
Blank Editable Setup Sheet - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...etup_Sheet.pdf - Be sure to save this to your desk top before editing, it makes it easier to save edited info.
Kit Setup, Rear Motor - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...t_Up_Sheet.pdf - Best for beginning racers, and medium to loose grip tracks.
Frank Root Setup, Rear Motor, Standard - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...Root_Setup.pdf - This is my standard setup that I'll start with at most tracks, and it was developed at OCRC Raceway.
Dakotah Phend, Rear Motor, ROAR Nationals - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...ning_setup.pdf - This is the setup Dakotah used to win the 2013 ROAR Nationals at Silver Dollar Raceway, keep in mind it is for a sugared and very high grip track.
Dustin Evans, Mid Motor, ROAR Nationals - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...d%20Motor).pdf - This setup got Dustin a podium finish at the ROAR Nationals, keep in mind this is for a sugared and very high grip surface.
Dustin Evans, Mid Motor, IFMAR Worlds - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...ans_Worlds.pdf - This setup qualified Dustin 4th at the world championships, keep in mind it is for a sugared and very high grip track.

Kit Shock Oil - Due to the late mix up, the 22 2.0 kits did come with 27.5wt oil and not the 30wt oil that was intended for the kit, and put on the kit setup sheet. The new/future kits will be coming with 30wt. oil. Just be sure to check your oil bottle, as the weight listed on the bottle is accurate.

Steering Rack Fix - On the 22 2.0 build, I have one quick note guy. On one of the sample kits, we saw an issue that when the rack housing was tightened down well in the chassis between the chassis, front pivot and front bulkhead, the slider rack could be a little on the snug side. We didn't see this during any of the testing or samples, so it was a surprise to see it in the production kits. Since the fix literally takes only 30 seconds, we didn't feel it was worth holding back the kits to do a full inspection, or possibly rework the kits with new parts.

With the said, the rack top to bottom, just needs a little shaving. I don't have one in front of me, so I don't have the exact dimensions, but you should be able to sand about .15mm (almost nothing) off the top and/or bottom of the rack to solve the issue. I used an emory board (nail file) and it only took a few swipes, so don't go crazy with it. If you already have the rack housing installed in the front end, just do a little at a time and keep checking to see if the rack is 100% free. If it is, you are done and move on. If not, sand just a little more.

Guys, I am really sorry I had to throw this build tip out there. We worked really hard to do everything in our power to be sure the kit build was perfect, but sometimes the production parts from longer runs are just a tab bit off. Again, we never saw this problem until we got a production kit to check when the shipment arrive in CA. When you are working with tolerances as tight as we are you take this risk, and this time it bit us a little, but at least the fix is easy. We'll work to be sure the fit is improved moving forward, and be sure to ask me if you have any questions. Next week, I'll get a detailed post with photos on the TLRacing Team Blog for sure.

Kit Build In Photos - When I got my production sample kit, I took the time to build the kit 'in photos' and uploaded it to the Team Losi Racing FB page. There are some build tips included in the comments as well as all the pictures that practically help to make you feel like you are involved in building the kit yourself.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6594021&type=3

FAQ's -
Does the tranny still need to be raised? No, the extra rear grip in the geometry of the 22 2.0 does not require the additional rear grip gained from raising the rear transmission.
Do the 22 aluminum front caster blocks or spindles fit the 22 2.0? No, they do not. The 22 2.0 caster block geometry was updated in several dimensions and 1.0 caster blocks or 1.0 spindles will not work properly.
Does a shorty battery fit in Mid Motor? Yes, a shorty battery fits in MM just fine. You will need to use the rear motor battery mount to fit without modification, but with a dremel and 3 minutes, you can take a little material off to fit a shorty with the mid motor battery mount as well.
What is the body Dustin/Dakotah/Frank are running? It is the TLR Cab Forward Body for the TLR 22 2.0, TLR330000.
When will the TLR Cab Forward body ship? Right now, we are scheduled for the end of November. I am doing all I can to get it in on time or early, but I need to be sure it is right.
Will the JConcepts, Pro-Line, or any other 22 1.0 bodies fit the 22 2.0? Yes, there were not changes to the TLR 22 2.0 that alter how the bodies fit the car and chassis.
Does the 22 2.0 come with Low Frequency Springs? Yes it does, red Fronts and Yellow rears.
What is different about Low Frequency Springs? I have a little write up here on the TLRacing Blog with all the details - http://losiracing.blogspot.com/2013/...-22-buggy.html


22 to 22 2.0 Parts Lists - Many people have asked for the parts list to convert a 22 to a 22 2.0, so here are the lists. One list covers all of the parts, the other covers only the key changes to geometry. Quite frankly, it is a much better deal/value to get the kit as you'll not only get all the new parts, but for not much more money, you'll have an entirely new car, body, wing, etc.


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I am so excited I nearly got an rb6 a day ago!!
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I new something was up, lol !
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Wow a lot more than I expected! Thats great though! Is the chassis length different than the V1?
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Wow a lot more than I expected! Thats great though! Is the chassis length different than the V1?
Same chassis length. We are pretty much maxxed out to ROAR/IFMAR/EFRA rules from the original 22, and tested shorter chassis's quite a bit actually. The results were always a slower, twitchier car.
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Awesome! Thx Frank.

I just notice the center hole in the chassis/pin holder. That will be so much nicer in MM!!
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It's up. Something happened when I copied and pasted it in there.
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Can we use the new steering rack on the 1.0's? What would the new rack do differently? Thanks frank
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Can we use the new steering rack on the 1.0's? What would the new rack do differently? Thanks frank
Yes, the new slider will drop right in. The ball studs are effectively 2mm higher, and 2mm further forward (when using Low Mount Ball Studs). This moves the ackermann to a slightly lower rate, and gets the bump steer in a range where you can get to 0 bump in/out without any washers on the spindle (all depends on spindle height also though).
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Thanks for all the useful information Frank its much appreciated. Now do i order the parts to upgrade my cars to 2.0 spec or just order a new one?
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Thanks for all the useful information Frank its much appreciated. Now do i order the parts to upgrade my cars to 2.0 spec or just order a new one?
Since the chassis, shocks, diff, hinge pins, axles, body and wing all changed, not to mention half the plastics, it's going to be way cheaper to get a kit.
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Since the chassis, shocks, diff, hinge pins, axles, body and wing all changed, not to mention half the plastics, it's going to be way cheaper to get a kit.
22 2.0 Ordered.
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I will be stopping by the local hobby shop to pre order two of these. Gonna have to work a lot of overtime lol. Horizon is doing a good job of getting my money! Lol this and the 3.0e at same time. Cant wait to build them.
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