66LikesHot Bodies D413 1/10 4WD Buggy
05-05-2014, 07:45 AM
#2296
05-05-2014, 08:31 AM
#2297
Tech Addict
Yeah, a little bit of slop is needed so everything moves properly and doesn't change over time as things wear in. I think what we are saying is that it just feels like there is slighly more slop in the Ackermann bar than with the rest of the car. I am sure it is fine, but you know how we RC nerds can be when we sit around at the bench playing with our new cars before we get a chance to throw down on the track 
T. Deguzman or Tye,
Can you guys give a suggestion of what range of pinion tooth sizes might be good for me to keep in stock for the D413 ? I'll be running a 6.5 turn motor.
I race at 7 different tracks that have anywhere from 2,000 to 12,000 square feet of racing surface.
The smallest track's (2,000 square feet) longest straight is about 30 feet long.
The larger tracks have straights around 130 feet long.
Thanks for the help
Can you guys give a suggestion of what range of pinion tooth sizes might be good for me to keep in stock for the D413 ? I'll be running a 6.5 turn motor.
I race at 7 different tracks that have anywhere from 2,000 to 12,000 square feet of racing surface.
The smallest track's (2,000 square feet) longest straight is about 30 feet long.
The larger tracks have straights around 130 feet long.
Thanks for the help
05-05-2014, 09:36 AM
#2298
Jakesterama, Thanks man !
At least that gives me a range of pinions to include on my initial purchase.
I noticed you mentioned "This is based on setups and recommendations for other 4wd vehicles."
Does the D413 have the same tooth count on the internal diff gears as other 4wd 10th scale buggies ?
At least that gives me a range of pinions to include on my initial purchase.
I noticed you mentioned "This is based on setups and recommendations for other 4wd vehicles."
Does the D413 have the same tooth count on the internal diff gears as other 4wd 10th scale buggies ?
b44, 2.5:1
Dex410, 2.47:1
Xb4, 2.5:1
Cat Sx3, (2.2:1, 2.6:1, or 3.0:1) by changing pulleys
ZX5FS2, 2.6:1
22-4, 2.30:1
D413, 3.31:1
The 22-4 (internal ratio 2.3:1 84T spur) has a table of pinions in the manual for different motors, that I have copied here and listed the equivalent pinion to use in the D413 (internal ratio 43:14 72T spur). Obviously you can't have a fraction of a tooth, but I left the decimal in to see if it was closer one way of the other. Again, always better to start low CHECK YOUR TEMPS!
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Motor 22-4 Pinion FDR D413 equiv pinion 5.5 17 11.36 21.0 6.5 18 10.73 22.2 7.5 19 10.17 23.4 8.5 20 9.66 24.7 9.5 21 9.20 25.9
05-05-2014, 10:28 AM
#2299
I thought I saw on one or more of Ty's set-up sheets that he ran a 25t on his 6.5 motor. That was why I started out at 34t on my 9.5 motor. I went to a 35t to help control wheel spin. Geared as I am with the default ESC settings temps run at 164* w/o a fan on the motor. 
05-05-2014, 10:36 AM
#2300
I ran 6.5T with 23 or 24 pinion and my motor got around 150F with the esc at default
I run a 7.5T reedy sonic mach2 with a 24 pinion, with a bit of turbo for the straightaway ( is 40 yards long ) and the temps are 160 after 10 minutes runtime. and it took 2200mah from my 4200mah shorty
I run a 7.5T reedy sonic mach2 with a 24 pinion, with a bit of turbo for the straightaway ( is 40 yards long ) and the temps are 160 after 10 minutes runtime. and it took 2200mah from my 4200mah shorty
05-05-2014, 11:11 AM
#2301
Mean Green!
Time for some HB decals.
Time for some HB decals.
05-05-2014, 11:29 AM
#2302
I noticed Tower pushed the parts date back to mid May now 
Hope it's as durable as stated. Only downside of a new wheeler is parts support takes a while.
Hope it's as durable as stated. Only downside of a new wheeler is parts support takes a while.
05-05-2014, 11:33 AM
#2303
did I mentioned before that this car is strong like a tank? 
I have quite a few test sessions ran more than 20 packs and still nothing broke.
Im still learning to drive 4wd style, Im a rooky so I make a lot of mistakes. Like hitting the brakes in full flight and landing upside down on the shocktowers, cartwheeling, hitting the pipes or the boarding at full speed, countless times.
Bumping into 4wd SCT's at full throttle, and this car has nothing broke. nothing.
I see others coming to the track, and going home after 2 laps because they break something.
let me say again. you can drive this car at 110% and you dont have to be scared that you will break something. it is not going to happen.
I have quite a few parts, but I dont think I will need something soon. Im honest about this statement and will report the first time I break something on this car.
I have quite a few test sessions ran more than 20 packs and still nothing broke.
Im still learning to drive 4wd style, Im a rooky so I make a lot of mistakes. Like hitting the brakes in full flight and landing upside down on the shocktowers, cartwheeling, hitting the pipes or the boarding at full speed, countless times.
Bumping into 4wd SCT's at full throttle, and this car has nothing broke. nothing.
I see others coming to the track, and going home after 2 laps because they break something.
let me say again. you can drive this car at 110% and you dont have to be scared that you will break something. it is not going to happen.
I have quite a few parts, but I dont think I will need something soon. Im honest about this statement and will report the first time I break something on this car.
05-05-2014, 11:43 AM
#2304
From the Novak website -
http://teamnovak.com/tech_info/view_article/26
I think because this buggy is going to be lighter than the average 4wd, you can probably get away with more aggressive gearing.
edit I'm dumb
Code:
Motor 4wd FDR D413 pinion 4.5 12 19.8 5.5 11 21.7 6.5 10 23.8 7.5 9.5 25.1 8.5 9 26.5 10.5 8 29.8 13.5 7 34.0 17.5 6 39.7
I think because this buggy is going to be lighter than the average 4wd, you can probably get away with more aggressive gearing.
edit I'm dumb
Last edited by Jakesterama; 05-05-2014 at 12:37 PM.
05-05-2014, 11:44 AM
#2305
did I mentioned before that this car is strong like a tank?
I have quite a few test sessions ran more than 20 packs and still nothing broke.
Im still learning to drive 4wd style, Im a rooky so I make a lot of mistakes. Like hitting the brakes in full flight and landing upside down on the shocktowers, cartwheeling, hitting the pipes or the boarding at full speed, countless times.
Bumping into 4wd SCT's at full throttle, and this car has nothing broke. nothing.
I see others coming to the track, and going home after 2 laps because they break something.
let me say again. you can drive this car at 110% and you dont have to be scared that you will break something. it is not going to happen.
I have quite a few parts, but I dont think I will need something soon. Im honest about this statement and will report the first time I break something on this car.
I have quite a few test sessions ran more than 20 packs and still nothing broke.
Im still learning to drive 4wd style, Im a rooky so I make a lot of mistakes. Like hitting the brakes in full flight and landing upside down on the shocktowers, cartwheeling, hitting the pipes or the boarding at full speed, countless times.
Bumping into 4wd SCT's at full throttle, and this car has nothing broke. nothing.
I see others coming to the track, and going home after 2 laps because they break something.
let me say again. you can drive this car at 110% and you dont have to be scared that you will break something. it is not going to happen.
I have quite a few parts, but I dont think I will need something soon. Im honest about this statement and will report the first time I break something on this car.
05-05-2014, 02:02 PM
#2308
05-05-2014, 02:08 PM
#2309
DE racing 22-4 wheels on mine.
05-05-2014, 02:09 PM
#2310
Tech Rookie