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Old 08-14-2013, 07:28 PM   #181
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ROAR didnt bend the rules to allow this car. Car was presented to the RMT official and he said it was ok to run. I was in tech all weekend and about all I know is that the car had a shorty in it. We had no need to remove the body to tech the car. Ty's dad lifted the body up enough to check voltage.

IMO the company that filed the protest was grasping at straws, they had no idea how the battery compartment on the car is configured. I feel as if it was a completely unsportsmanlike move and have lost all respect for that company after this.
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ROAR didnt bend the rules to allow this car. Car was presented to the RMT official and he said it was ok to run. I was in tech all weekend and about all I know is that the car had a shorty in it. We had no need to remove the body to tech the car. Ty's dad lifted the body up enough to check voltage.

IMO the company that filed the protest was grasping at straws, they had no idea how the battery compartment on the car is configured. I feel as if it was a completely unsportsmanlike move and have lost all respect for that company after this.
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ROAR didnt bend the rules to allow this car. Car was presented to the RMT official and he said it was ok to run.
What you're describing here is a ruling. That's not quite the same thing as rule compliance. It's possible to make an incorrect ruling. The rule isn't whatever the official says it is. The official's job is make the correct ruling, if they do that then there isn't a need for a protest. Nobody likes having to protest against other competitors, it brings the type of backlash that we are seeing here. (I've seen a race decided because a driver with a valid protest didn't want to make it for fear it would reflect badly on their sponsor.) Because of this it's all the more important that the officials strictly enforce the letter of the rules in their initial rulings.

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I was in tech all weekend and about all I know is that the car had a shorty in it. We had no need to remove the body to tech the car. Ty's dad lifted the body up enough to check voltage.
I've been a scrutineer. There are good reasons to take the bodies off cars to check them, it should be done routinely.

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IMO the company that filed the protest was grasping at straws, they had no idea how the battery compartment on the car is configured. I feel as if it was a completely unsportsmanlike move and have lost all respect for that company after this.
It's been said here that said manufacturer should have made their protest at the beginning of the meet. How were they to know to do that if not even the scrutineers had looked under the body?
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Any word of a release date ?
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Things get through other forms of racing inspections all the time. Look at NASCAR. Some things get caught and some things do not. I agree with Jack, the feasibility of checking everything in the rules is not realistic. I have been a part of the rmt at other events and it is not an easy task for the crew of four and any additional help from the hosting facility. Rules in all forms of competition or sport are always pushed to the limitation as well as loopholes within them. Lets put this to rest and congrats to Ty and the hot bodies team on their win. Keep it in perspective, look at the events he has won over the last year. We should all be honored to witness the level of driving skills, mental concentration and maturity displayed by those top ten guys in the A main and the show they put on for those of us standing on the sidelines.
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Things get through other forms of racing inspections all the time. Look at NASCAR. Some things get caught and some things do not. I agree with Jack, the feasibility of checking everything in the rules is not realistic. I have been a part of the rmt at other events and it is not an easy task for the crew of four and any additional help from the hosting facility. Rules in all forms of competition or sport are always pushed to the limitation as well as loopholes within them. Lets put this to rest and congrats to Ty and the hot bodies team on their win. Keep it in perspective, look at the events he has won over the last year. We should all be honored to witness the level of driving skills, mental concentration and maturity displayed by those top ten guys in the A main and the show they put on for those of us standing on the sidelines.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:37 PM   #187
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I love the sectional body design,

Don't really like the look on the car as is, but that body design could open up a lot of things. Need a cab forward look, get the cab and you're done. Need the side pods to be more or less aero, get the ones you need and you're done. Pretty cool if you ask me, though it may not happen just like that, but I sure hope that could be the case.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:35 PM   #188
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Any word of a release date ?
we're working on it. still finalizing the instruction manual and box design. this week we already had to ammend the box so that it says "2013 ROAR National Champion". i won't quote an exact date but hopefully before the year is out.

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I love the sectional body design,

Don't really like the look on the car as is, but that body design could open up a lot of things. Need a cab forward look, get the cab and you're done. Need the side pods to be more or less aero, get the ones you need and you're done. Pretty cool if you ask me, though it may not happen just like that, but I sure hope that could be the case.
that's kinda part of the plan - to be able to mix and match different cabs with different sidepods. it started with me and Hara having different styling preferences - he likes the boxy high-forehead looks of the J-Concepts Punisher/Finnisher; i like the fighter jet cockpit look of the Tamiya Avante. for initial production i went with a look that's somewhat sleek and conservative but not too polarizing. who knows if we'll get to make alternate body sections because that sits on the lower end of priorities of things to do but i think it'd fun and interesting.
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Sorry I have to disagree.

The rule is very well worded and black and white.

Any car can run a shorty pack but it has to be able to accept a battery of maximum dimensions only by removing foam block/spacers. And the legaility of this is determined when its presented to tech inspection.

Meaning the when the car is presented to tech it MUST be able to accept a battery of maximum dimensions by only removing foam blocks or foam spacers.

I don't quite agree entirely with the rule. But the rule is the rule.

With that said I am not saying the HB car was illegal because nobody was able to view it aside from a very select few.
How about a source for the information you're quoting. There is nothing in the ROAR rules (section 8.3) that remotely states what you seem to be quoting. Furthermore, many shorties carry the "ROAR Approved" label across the seam as required. There are maximum dimensions identified but there are NO minimum dimensions.

Rule 8.10.1.3 (2wd/4wd buggy specific) Battery Cells: Six cell maximum or 2s, 7.4v nominal lipo battery. Again, no configuration outlined.

Please enlighten me on the black and white rules, I genuinely want to know.
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How about a source for the information you're quoting. There is nothing in the ROAR rules (section 8.3) that remotely states what you seem to be quoting. Furthermore, many shorties carry the "ROAR Approved" label across the seam as required. There are maximum dimensions identified but there are NO minimum dimensions.

Rule 8.10.1.3 (2wd/4wd buggy specific) Battery Cells: Six cell maximum or 2s, 7.4v nominal lipo battery. Again, no configuration outlined.

Please enlighten me on the black and white rules, I genuinely want to know.
Here is the link to the quoted rule: http://www.roarracing.com/?p=1438

The link is posted in the rules updates section and was posted November 12th, 2011.
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Here is the link to the quoted rule: http://www.roarracing.com/?p=1438

The link is posted in the rules updates section and was posted November 12th, 2011.
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we're working on it. still finalizing the instruction manual and box design. this week we already had to ammend the box so that it says "2013 ROAR National Champion". i won't quote an exact date but hopefully before the year is out.



that's kinda part of the plan - to be able to mix and match different cabs with different sidepods. it started with me and Hara having different styling preferences - he likes the boxy high-forehead looks of the J-Concepts Punisher/Finnisher; i like the fighter jet cockpit look of the Tamiya Avante. for initial production i went with a look that's somewhat sleek and conservative but not too polarizing. who knows if we'll get to make alternate body sections because that sits on the lower end of priorities of things to do but i think it'd fun and interesting.
Great design, great job.

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A saddle pack is a battery of maximum dimensions.
They measure the overall length end to end.
Making the kyosho and the b44.2 legal.
Or any car that can fit a saddle pack with out having to move anything but battery foam.

More specifically the spots that the saddle fit in or stick have to add up to a measurement 139mm as presented to technical inspection.

ROAR RULE
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The maximum 2s brick/stick
case::
Length: 139mm
Width: 47mm
Height: 25.1mm

RULE 8.3.2.3.4
The maximum 2s saddle case:
Length:
139mm to be measured as two packs end to end as a maximum
Width:
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Height:
25.1mm
Thanks, I didn't understand the rule, didn't read it either.

Interesting thou, one could argue since a shorty is a 2s 7.4 volt pack, and Roar approved, that this rule should be amended to include shorties as a valid pack to be designed too.

Thanks, Joel.
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Hey can Torrance can you make an official thread. This one is getting cluttered with roar nonsense. Shouldnt have to come here to read through pages of crap just to find one informative post.
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Hey can Torrance can you make an official thread. This one is getting cluttered with roar nonsense. Shouldnt have to come here to read through pages of crap just to find one informative post.
Actually I'm pretty sure he can't as he works for HPI and I'm not sure if HPI is a forum advertiser.
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