35LikesKyosho Lazer ZX-6 & ZX-6.6 4WD Thread
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05-09-2014, 09:00 PM
#301
no gull wing arms either
05-09-2014, 09:50 PM
#302
You have the two heaviest pieces;the motor and the battery, mounted diagnally from each other. So it looks like the left rear would have more weight on it than the right rear. And the right front would have more weight on it than the left front.
It just seems like the "rear motor configuration" would be more balanced.
Thoughts?
05-09-2014, 10:01 PM
#303
Is it just me, or does the "front motor configuration" seem a little odd. Here's my point:
You have the two heaviest pieces;the motor and the battery, mounted diagnally from each other. So it looks like the left rear would have more weight on it than the right rear. And the right front would have more weight on it than the left front.
It just seems like the "rear motor configuration" would be more balanced.
Thoughts?
You have the two heaviest pieces;the motor and the battery, mounted diagnally from each other. So it looks like the left rear would have more weight on it than the right rear. And the right front would have more weight on it than the left front.
It just seems like the "rear motor configuration" would be more balanced.
Thoughts?
05-10-2014, 12:17 AM
#304
05-10-2014, 12:23 AM
#305
05-10-2014, 05:02 AM
#306
zx6 running gear
Hi, I would be curious to hear opinions on whether the running gear of the ZX6 in the photos is really the best available in todays market?
It looks like just a basic center slipper assembly in the photo?
Can a basic center slipper car compete with a car that has a center gear diff?
I am a Kyosho guy, I have - 2x RB6, ZX5 fs2 sp and SC6, was looking to upgrade the Zx5, but aren't yet really convinced that the ZX6 is going to do it.
I ask these questions to learn more about the best types of running gear arrangements in 4x4 1/10 buggies.?
Cheers.
It looks like just a basic center slipper assembly in the photo?
Can a basic center slipper car compete with a car that has a center gear diff?
I am a Kyosho guy, I have - 2x RB6, ZX5 fs2 sp and SC6, was looking to upgrade the Zx5, but aren't yet really convinced that the ZX6 is going to do it.
I ask these questions to learn more about the best types of running gear arrangements in 4x4 1/10 buggies.?
Cheers.
05-10-2014, 12:14 PM
#309
Hi, I would be curious to hear opinions on whether the running gear of the ZX6 in the photos is really the best available in todays market?
It looks like just a basic center slipper assembly in the photo?
Can a basic center slipper car compete with a car that has a center gear diff?
I am a Kyosho guy, I have - 2x RB6, ZX5 fs2 sp and SC6, was looking to upgrade the Zx5, but aren't yet really convinced that the ZX6 is going to do it.
I ask these questions to learn more about the best types of running gear arrangements in 4x4 1/10 buggies.?
Cheers.
It looks like just a basic center slipper assembly in the photo?
Can a basic center slipper car compete with a car that has a center gear diff?
I am a Kyosho guy, I have - 2x RB6, ZX5 fs2 sp and SC6, was looking to upgrade the Zx5, but aren't yet really convinced that the ZX6 is going to do it.
I ask these questions to learn more about the best types of running gear arrangements in 4x4 1/10 buggies.?
Cheers.
05-10-2014, 02:37 PM
#310
some of the parts in some of the photos on rcnews look like they are 3D printed. like the battery strap and the bracing that goes from bulkheads down to chassis.
makes me wonder if these are some prototype parts.
I'm going to guess that a full top deck will be an option. if not from Kyosho, then from a 3rd party..
http://www.rcnews.net/2014/05/09/kyo...x6-4wd-photos/
makes me wonder if these are some prototype parts.
I'm going to guess that a full top deck will be an option. if not from Kyosho, then from a 3rd party..
http://www.rcnews.net/2014/05/09/kyo...x6-4wd-photos/
Last edited by 4WDriver; 05-10-2014 at 03:10 PM.
05-10-2014, 03:00 PM
#311
Tech Master
Last edited by JiuHaWong; 06-29-2014 at 10:37 AM.
05-11-2014, 06:03 AM
#312
I wasn't trying to say that a center skipper car can't or couldnt compete-it might be the best option for all I know.
I am trying to learn more about the dynamics of the center drive area configurations.
If I think about what happens when 1x end of the car has less traction than the other end it seems that it would make sense to have a center diff to allow the end of the car that still has grip - consistent power ( not power that is effeceted by whats happening on the car end without traction).
But as our friend says - the world champ runs a center slipper.
UOTE=t8rtot;13252254]It can't compete bc one car brand has a center diff? I don't get the rational...[/QUOTE]
I am trying to learn more about the dynamics of the center drive area configurations.
If I think about what happens when 1x end of the car has less traction than the other end it seems that it would make sense to have a center diff to allow the end of the car that still has grip - consistent power ( not power that is effeceted by whats happening on the car end without traction).
But as our friend says - the world champ runs a center slipper.
UOTE=t8rtot;13252254]It can't compete bc one car brand has a center diff? I don't get the rational...[/QUOTE]
05-11-2014, 09:33 AM
#313
You bring up a good point Dragobrat but in essence isn't this how traction control works on real cars? If one end is slipping then power is reduced to that end but maintained on the other end. Maybe only on the luxury brands this is how it works?
If you had a gear diff in the middle it seems like it would act just like 1/8th scale and 1/10th some 4x4 S.C. vehicles. Maybe these are not heavy enough to take full advantage of the center gear diff? I have never owned a vehicle with a center differential (ball or gear) to know how to comment on that. Perhaps someone could chime in?
If you had a gear diff in the middle it seems like it would act just like 1/8th scale and 1/10th some 4x4 S.C. vehicles. Maybe these are not heavy enough to take full advantage of the center gear diff? I have never owned a vehicle with a center differential (ball or gear) to know how to comment on that. Perhaps someone could chime in?
05-11-2014, 03:13 PM
#314
Tech Regular
An open differential which is what the vast majority of rc cars will use offer no locking function (hence open), so when one end of the car loses traction through too much power being applied, the drive is diverted along the route of least resistance.
A locking differential (like the Kyosho TCD, Losi Smartdiff and Xray locking diff) will provide a locking action, reducing the differential speed across the differential, this keeps the car driving forward, the downside is if the locking action is too strong, will make the car understeer and potentially more difficult to drive, espiecially if the locking action is very aggressive coming on and off power.
A locking differential (like the Kyosho TCD, Losi Smartdiff and Xray locking diff) will provide a locking action, reducing the differential speed across the differential, this keeps the car driving forward, the downside is if the locking action is too strong, will make the car understeer and potentially more difficult to drive, espiecially if the locking action is very aggressive coming on and off power.
05-12-2014, 05:52 AM
#315
It will be the death of club racing if they're not careful. They're going to do the same thing they did to 1/8 scale.
Tire manufacturers will stop making the tires that club racers want because they are focused on high bite low wear, where as club racing tracks tend to focus on low wear. Some of them may even go to sugar to stay hip and price people further out of the game. I can't even get proline 4wd scrubs in the compound that works at my track anymore. On top of that, the "team setups" will be for mostly high bite and the average racer will struggle where previously he could just copy a team setup if they're not good at setup. Also, non sponsored people will really struggle at "big races" because the tracks EAT tires and they can't afford to compete, so everyone gets super serious and tries to get sponsors and soon you're left with what happened to the local 1/8 scale scene across America: The only ones left are the ones that have been doing it a long time, get tire sponsors, and drive around to the pro series races and rarely show up to club racing, and then the sport dies when nobody new wants to get into it.
It dies because we forget the club racer and focus on the top tier.
Tire manufacturers will stop making the tires that club racers want because they are focused on high bite low wear, where as club racing tracks tend to focus on low wear. Some of them may even go to sugar to stay hip and price people further out of the game. I can't even get proline 4wd scrubs in the compound that works at my track anymore. On top of that, the "team setups" will be for mostly high bite and the average racer will struggle where previously he could just copy a team setup if they're not good at setup. Also, non sponsored people will really struggle at "big races" because the tracks EAT tires and they can't afford to compete, so everyone gets super serious and tries to get sponsors and soon you're left with what happened to the local 1/8 scale scene across America: The only ones left are the ones that have been doing it a long time, get tire sponsors, and drive around to the pro series races and rarely show up to club racing, and then the sport dies when nobody new wants to get into it.
It dies because we forget the club racer and focus on the top tier.
Anyway, great post, if tracks focused more on their local club racers and less on the pros they would stay in business longer. The pros should support this, their purpose is to sell products for their sponsors.......the other pros aren't buying them! The club racer does.