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Old 07-10-2013, 06:22 PM   #4486
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I need some help in regards to loose in turns.
The truck is setup total stock, using AKA Cityblocks, MMP/Tekin 4600 Motor.
The radio is set at -25 throttle curve & -25/-30 steering expo.
Diff fluids is 5/5/3.
Had a few drivers run my truck and they say all the same thing.
What do I need to do to get this truck to go around the turns without wiping out?
The track is classified as rough track & low bite.
Most of the setups are for tight technical tracks with high bite.
What do i need to change to get the truck around the turns with a bit of throttle applied and not wipe out?
Thanks.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:20 PM   #4487
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Ryan, Thanks for all the tips. I noticed you are running the same ESC/motor combo as I have coming so please give me your latest settings for your RX8 that runs the Pro4HD 4300? Thanks
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:30 PM   #4488
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Ryan, Also your setup sheet is not at all clear in jpeg. Do you have it in pdf or some other format that captures all as suspension settings and stuff missing. BTW what brand/model of pinion do you use? And what is the diff of a pinion/spur setup of 16/39 compared to say a 14/40? Thanks
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Ryan, and how do you space our rear hexes by 5mm? What type/brand of washes if that do you use?
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:44 PM   #4490
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Ryan I went ahead and got the following hope it is correct??
1. MIP12198 39T spur gear as nothing else was available
2. Novak 5156 32 Pitch 5mm Steel Pinion Gear 16T
3. Hot Racing NSG16M1 16t Steel Mod 1 Pinion Gear 5mm

2 pinions as not sure which one would work best in your setup with Pro4HD motor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:00 PM   #4491
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I need some help in regards to loose in turns.
The truck is setup total stock, using AKA Cityblocks, MMP/Tekin 4600 Motor.
The radio is set at -25 throttle curve & -25/-30 steering expo.
Diff fluids is 5/5/3.
Had a few drivers run my truck and they say all the same thing.
What do I need to do to get this truck to go around the turns without wiping out?
The track is classified as rough track & low bite.
Most of the setups are for tight technical tracks with high bite.
What do i need to change to get the truck around the turns with a bit of throttle applied and not wipe out?
Thanks.

Here's what will tighten up the truck not in any particular order.
  • 5k rear
  • Stiffer - front spring, front swaybar
  • Softer - rear spring, rear swaybar
  • Long rear link/ move it up on the tower
  • Increase rear toe
  • Higher front ride height
Try them 1 at a time and see what you like.
BCE chassis smoothed my truck out. I thought it was a little loose before.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:15 PM   #4492
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Ryan I went ahead and got the following hope it is correct??
1. MIP12198 39T spur gear as nothing else was available
2. Novak 5156 32 Pitch 5mm Steel Pinion Gear 16T
3. Hot Racing NSG16M1 16t Steel Mod 1 Pinion Gear 5mm

2 pinions as not sure which one would work best in your setup with Pro4HD motor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
I would say that #2 is not appropriate. You need Mod 1, not 32 Pitch.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:55 PM   #4493
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Obviously I am not Ryan but I try and answer most of these for you tonight.

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Thanks guys. I see this as a pretty interesting change. I'd like to play around with it. I thought the extra kick in the front helped my truck out in blown out sections - I literally went from babying the truck through the blown out sections to complete confidence pulling the trigger and driving it through.

So I'll be interested in the change there. And I can't imagine the steering being so aggressive that toe in works.

Now - I didn't like the 4 piston setup the last time and went back to the 2 hole with harder oil. It's summer so I'm 95% of the time on big loose 1/8 rutted up tracks. I'm happy to try out the 4 holes again - where do you think the 4 hole pistons and lighter oil have an advantage over the 2 hole pistons.

Thanks guys - appreciate all you do for us. Like I said your latest setup has really helped dial my truck in.
We run indoor with fairly controlled temperature conditions. Hot weather outdoors with big jumps the 2 hole may work better for you. the extra kick is better through rough sections as well so maybe that should stay for you. I have not tried the bump steer changes with the high kickup personally so not sure how all that reacts together but worth a try. I think Ryan went back to 0's all around as he no longer needed the kickup but if you are running blown out and lower traction it may still be of benefit These setups are just good starting points for you guys and although we recommend starting with the entire setup on your car a lot of them time small tweaks may be needed for your driving style and track conditions.

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I need some help in regards to loose in turns.
The truck is setup total stock, using AKA Cityblocks, MMP/Tekin 4600 Motor.
The radio is set at -25 throttle curve & -25/-30 steering expo.
Diff fluids is 5/5/3.
Had a few drivers run my truck and they say all the same thing.
What do I need to do to get this truck to go around the turns without wiping out?
The track is classified as rough track & low bite.
Most of the setups are for tight technical tracks with high bite.
What do i need to change to get the truck around the turns with a bit of throttle applied and not wipe out?
Thanks.
The more current setups we have help lock in the rear end more. Frank L has some great suggestions as well.

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Ryan, Also your setup sheet is not at all clear in jpeg. Do you have it in pdf or some other format that captures all as suspension settings and stuff missing. BTW what brand/model of pinion do you use? And what is the diff of a pinion/spur setup of 16/39 compared to say a 14/40? Thanks
I will see if I can get the .pdf from him and post it on my site or he may be able to get it up on the TLR site.

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Ryan, and how do you space our rear hexes by 5mm? What type/brand of washes if that do you use?
We are spacing it out only 0.5mm. We used Clutch bell shims. TLR/Losi makes some or Kyosho has a great little set of 5X7 shims as well.

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Ryan I went ahead and got the following hope it is correct??
1. MIP12198 39T spur gear as nothing else was available
2. Novak 5156 32 Pitch 5mm Steel Pinion Gear 16T
3. Hot Racing NSG16M1 16t Steel Mod 1 Pinion Gear 5mm

2 pinions as not sure which one would work best in your setup with Pro4HD motor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
You need a Mod 1 pinion as that is what the spur gear is. 32P will not mesh properly. We use Losi pinions.

http://www.losi.com/Search/Default.a...d%201%20pinion
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can any one tell me whats the part number and name for the body that come with the tlr scte 2.0
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:34 AM   #4495
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Thanks Edomark/Casper for that.

Casper is the MIP Spur gear OK to use? It was the only 39T available on ebay
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:17 AM   #4496
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Thanks Frank L & Casper, i will try them out and see what happens.
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Thanks guys. I see this as a pretty interesting change. I'd like to play around with it. I thought the extra kick in the front helped my truck out in blown out sections - I literally went from babying the truck through the blown out sections to complete confidence pulling the trigger and driving it through.

So I'll be interested in the change there. And I can't imagine the steering being so aggressive that toe in works.

Now - I didn't like the 4 piston setup the last time and went back to the 2 hole with harder oil. It's summer so I'm 95% of the time on big loose 1/8 rutted up tracks. I'm happy to try out the 4 holes again - where do you think the 4 hole pistons and lighter oil have an advantage over the 2 hole pistons.

Thanks guys - appreciate all you do for us. Like I said your latest setup has really helped dial my truck in.
At least i am not the only one who did not like the 4 hole over the 2 hole. I too run at lot of outdoor blown out tracks. If i want more rear traction do i want to go lighter rear oul like 32.5 and 27.5?
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can any one tell me whats the part number and name for the body that come with the tlr scte 2.0
any one got the part number for this
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:32 AM   #4499
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any one got the part number for this
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Just for clarification, you are running the inside ball down, but how are you running the outer ball at the wheel. Up or down with the additional shim?
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