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Old 01-27-2015, 01:57 PM   #6781
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Visually and measured it...mine's correct.
So if this is accurate... then XRAY should certainly be stepping up to the plate to replace the improperly machined parts!
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:16 PM   #6782
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Visually and measured it...mine's correct.

But I'm sure as hell not upgrading to 2015 until they fix this!!!! I bought the Xray for quality (which is what I got with the 2014). This new thing with the 2015 is really disappointing... I mean c'mon... you don't need instruments to see that this is off! People at my LHS are freaked about this and understandably so.
That is peculiar, you are the first one to say your '14 kit was correct, several others have stated there's is not. I wonder what the difference is?

How exactly did you measure it? You are aware that a setup board doesn't pick it up because it measures in relation to the other wheel and not the chassis centerline, right?

Did you actually put a set of calipers to the brace and measure each square hole from the screw hole? Are you saying the hinge plate is symmetrical, or that something else is asymmetrical enough that the plate works?
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:41 PM   #6783
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That is peculiar, you are the first one to say your '14 kit was correct, several others have stated there's is not. I wonder what the difference is?

How exactly did you measure it? You are aware that a setup board doesn't pick it up because it measures in relation to the other wheel and not the chassis centerline, right?

Did you actually put a set of calipers to the brace and measure each square hole from the screw hole? Are you saying the hinge plate is symmetrical, or that something else is asymmetrical enough that the plate works?
Yes, there is no way in hell that a setup station will show you this. I can visually see that it's ok (unlike the picture that another person posted and my friends (plural) 2015). I took the plate out for OCD's sake and measured with calipers (albeit not digital). But they are nowhere off 1 degree like yours. Just as another data point, 2 other 2014's that we checked were ok as well. Those guys aren't upgrading to 2015 either...
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:49 PM   #6784
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Yes, there is no way in hell that a setup station will show you this. I can visually see that it's ok (unlike the picture that another person posted and my friends (plural) 2015). I took the plate out for OCD's sake and measured with calipers (albeit not digital). But they are nowhere off 1 degree like yours. Just as another data point, 2 other 2014's that we checked were ok as well. Those guys aren't upgrading to 2015 either...
Strange. Maybe yours is an early production run and the offset mount was for the offset molded diff case. I know I would have noticed that with my 2014 because I'm anal about stuff like that but didn't see anything. Interestingly I have a friend with a 2013 and his is off enough to see visually. But with the car being 2 years old it probably doesn't have the original gear box.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:57 PM   #6785
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Would you mind taking a very close up picture of the "symmetrical" hanger and posting it here for us to see? I"m not saying I don't believe you, but would like proof for all to see because if true, this refutes XRAYs claims that all the hangers are offset from the start and further invalidates their BS explanation.
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I don't know why I'm following this thread since I don't own an XB4 other than the fact that this has probably turned into the most interesting read over the last few days...I'm really interested to find out how Xray (Excellence in RC) handles the situation. I honestly told my wife last night that if I wasn't in the next shipment for the D413 I was going to go ahead and order the XRay. That obviously isn't going to happen anymore. I think I'll hold off for the D413.
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I don't know why I'm following this thread since I don't own an XB4 other than the fact that this has probably turned into the most interesting read over the last few days...I'm really interested to find out how Xray (Excellence in RC) handles the situation. I honestly told my wife last night that if I wasn't in the next shipment for the D413 I was going to go ahead and order the XRay. That obviously isn't going to happen anymore. I think I'll hold off for the D413.
LOL glad we kept you on board. I'm home from work due to a blizzard/state of emergency thing, close to 3' of snow since last night with ripping winds, welcome to New England! At least I feel I've gotten something other than shoveling/plowing accomplished, in that the word has spread pretty far in just 1 day.
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:11 PM   #6788
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LOL glad we kept you on board. I'm home from work due to a blizzard/state of emergency thing, close to 3' of snow since last night with ripping winds, welcome to New England! At least I feel I've gotten something other than shoveling/plowing accomplished, in that the word has spread pretty far in just 1 day.
WOW. I saw some of it on the new this morning before I started work and it looks like you guys were getting hammered with snow.
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To the guys jumping ship to the HB413...have you held one in your hands yet? If you're upset about this, you are going to lose your mind with the amount of slop the 413 has brand new...
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:39 PM   #6790
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To the guys jumping ship to the HB413...have you held one in your hands yet? If you're upset about this, you are going to lose your mind with the amount of slop the 413 has brand new...
yea, a few of the guys at the track run them. Slop is easy to fix though.
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:58 PM   #6791
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Would you mind taking a very close up picture of the "symmetrical" hanger and posting it here for us to see? I"m not saying I don't believe you, but would like proof for all to see because if true, this refutes XRAYs claims that all the hangers are offset from the start and further invalidates their BS explanation.
Maybe his hanger isn't symmetrical but neither are the holes in the case. Would be nice to see a pic of them too.
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Does anyone reading know how to put a revised being fixed hanger design in CAD format.
If so I could have these machined out of 7075 aluminum either in a T5 or T6 temper. Thus I can have them anodized as well.
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Does anyone reading know how to put a revised being fixed hanger design in CAD format.
If so I could have these machined out of 7075 aluminum either in a T5 or T6 temper. Thus I can have them anodized as well.
We have a laser scanner at work I might be able to use to get you the info. Or I can inspect it with the CMM and at least get you the dimensions.
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Would you mind taking a very close up picture of the "symmetrical" hanger and posting it here for us to see? I"m not saying I don't believe you, but would like proof for all to see because if true, this refutes XRAYs claims that all the hangers are offset from the start and further invalidates their BS explanation.
Ok, just for you guys here are some pics. Again, this is for a 2014. Notice that visually, it looks symmetrical. The hanger is 55 mm tip to tip. I measured it from the screw hole to the square and then put the calipers down so that I can take a pic. The measurements show a 0.022 inches difference. Of course, this is technique sensitive. But the largest difference I get is around 0.030 inches and the smallest is around 0.015 inches. These are 0.381 mm to 0.762 mm.
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Ok, just for you guys here are some pics. Again, this is for a 2014. Notice that visually, it looks symmetrical. The hanger is 55 mm tip to tip. I measured it from the screw hole to the square and then put the calipers down so that I can take a pic. The measurements show a 0.022 inches difference. Of course, this is technique sensitive. But the largest difference I get is around 0.030 inches and the smallest is around 0.015 inches. These are 0.381 mm to 0.762 mm.
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