Xray XB4 thread
#6406
Tech Addict
iTrader: (12)
Hi again
Checked our car today, using the inserts in the lower middle position, no issue what so ever. This was with 2,5 degrees of camber.
So you have to have an unfortunate QC issue. I can see four possible problem areas.
Diff out drive notches
Drive shaft length
Outer drive shaft
Seating of inner bearing in hub
The AE X-rings you mention, is that the B5 version?
Checked our car today, using the inserts in the lower middle position, no issue what so ever. This was with 2,5 degrees of camber.
So you have to have an unfortunate QC issue. I can see four possible problem areas.
Diff out drive notches
Drive shaft length
Outer drive shaft
Seating of inner bearing in hub
The AE X-rings you mention, is that the B5 version?
I got home and measured my axles, 67.987mm, right where they are supposed to be. I actually spent some time on the phone with Brian from RC America, what a great experience to be able to speak to somebody about it. He spent a good ammount of time with me, measuring parts and comparing, but unfortunately nothing jumped out as off. Driveshaft measures, outdrives measure, outer driveshaft fits fine and leaves little doubt, and bearings are seated flush, if they weren't I wouldn't have gotten the hex drive pin in.
He looked at these pics on the Xray forum, as I posted a lot of it there, and he is forwarding the info and pics to the factory, it's truly bizzare. If anything was that obvious, the car likely wouldn't have gone together smooth, so we were both a bit puzzled. I tried swapping diffs front to rear, no different. FWIW, on these diffs, the outdrive opposite the gear does protrude 1mm farther, as the plastic race of the diff case goes beyond the bearing 1mm, this is why it is a bigger difference on one side, but if this was a defect the diff would not be working smooth (I broke them in with a cordless drill before I even put them in, no issues), or I would have had trouble putting it together. Also worth noting, on the rear/rear brace, the right side insert square hole was almost .5mm farther from the screw hole than the left, but he measure about .3mm difference on one from the warehouse........regardless, that was the side that was actually worse for me, if anything that would have helped.....
Somebody asked, so here are a couple pics of the depth of the bones at full droop(w/1mm downstop), and flat on the table. Like I said, the left outdrive notch just barely recesses into the gearbox, while the right side notch protrudes about 1mm, due to the difference in the diff, but both sides still have the issue.
#6407
Yes it is a 2015
For the inner positions though, you will probably need to use a fair amount of up stop shims. I haven't checked how it behaves in the inner lower position, but the people running it are using external up-stop on the dampers. Lower middle position though works good with the possibility for the chassis to bottom out.
You can have a look at this tech-tip: http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/new...3dc6c69eb12f70
It is for the '13 and '14 car but believe it still holds true, the situation has changed slightly with the +2 hangers though.
For the inner positions though, you will probably need to use a fair amount of up stop shims. I haven't checked how it behaves in the inner lower position, but the people running it are using external up-stop on the dampers. Lower middle position though works good with the possibility for the chassis to bottom out.
You can have a look at this tech-tip: http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/new...3dc6c69eb12f70
It is for the '13 and '14 car but believe it still holds true, the situation has changed slightly with the +2 hangers though.
#6408
Tech Addict
iTrader: (12)
Yes it is a 2015
For the inner positions though, you will probably need to use a fair amount of up stop shims. I haven't checked how it behaves in the inner lower position, but the people running it are using external up-stop on the dampers. Lower middle position though works good with the possibility for the chassis to bottom out.
You can have a look at this tech-tip: http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/new...3dc6c69eb12f70
It is for the '13 and '14 car but believe it still holds true, the situation has changed slightly with the +2 hangers though.
For the inner positions though, you will probably need to use a fair amount of up stop shims. I haven't checked how it behaves in the inner lower position, but the people running it are using external up-stop on the dampers. Lower middle position though works good with the possibility for the chassis to bottom out.
You can have a look at this tech-tip: http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/new...3dc6c69eb12f70
It is for the '13 and '14 car but believe it still holds true, the situation has changed slightly with the +2 hangers though.
#6409
Tech Master
iTrader: (15)
I was actually just about to post some of the obvious stuff I have double checked. Outer pins are correct, bot shafts say 68mm, axles are obviously correct. FWIW I don't think it would be possible to do the outer pins in a way that would bring the hubs in anyway, the arm would stop them. I was already familiar with this dual hole option from my Tekno cars so that was a no-brainer.
#6411
Well, not exactly right. The shim actually lifted the whole bulkhead assembly including the hangers, so in relation to the chassis and the pin mounting points you are correct, but the distance between the shock tower and the pin mounting points has gotten 2mm shorter....
#6412
Tech Addict
iTrader: (12)
Well, not exactly right. The shim actually lifted the whole bulkhead assembly including the hangers, so in relation to the chassis and the pin mounting points you are correct, but the distance between the shock tower and the pin mounting points has gotten 2mm shorter....
And not that some obvious and silly mistake is entirely out of the question, but it is pretty unlikely at this point, I've covered all the bases. Just to give you guys an idea of my background, I have also built, tested, tuned, modded, and raced numerous cars over the years. I race 3-4 classes almost every weekend, and I currently run/race/maintain a 22-2.0, 22sct, SCT410, (2)EB48's, 8ight nitro, and 8ight-T-E...... not to mention the Pro-8, crawler, mini 8's and a 5ive-T..... along with a fleet of electric boats(this winters 45" twin cat build should break 100mph by end of summer) But I have never had an issue that was this unclear.
And if you're ever in the Boston area hit me up, this is my side yard, complete with in-ground sprinklers and lighting, and the equipment to build, change, and maintain it, always looking for new faces to run with here.......
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Last edited by kevinpratt823; 01-13-2015 at 04:24 PM.
#6415
R/C Tech Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
In the pic I had the pin going through the larger hole (the red arrow) in the coupler rather than the smaller hole where it's supposed to go. Made a big difference.
#6418
Tech Apprentice
Hey guys not sure how many people have had problems or wear on the car yet . But I am running my Xb4 15 at my local carpet track that has medium traction . Basically I am having a real issue with my outdrives and my outdrives on the slipper shaft both front and rear of the car . Not sure if any of you have had excessive wear on these parts but mine is getting pretty bad to the point that I'm almost second guessing this beautiful car because my wallet can not afford outdrives every couple weeks . This being said I have been staying on top and replacing my driveshaft pins .
if anyone can chime in on this that would be great
Thanks in advance
if anyone can chime in on this that would be great
Thanks in advance
#6419
Tech Regular
Hey guys not sure how many people have had problems or wear on the car yet . But I am running my Xb4 15 at my local carpet track that has medium traction . Basically I am having a real issue with my outdrives and my outdrives on the slipper shaft both front and rear of the car . Not sure if any of you have had excessive wear on these parts but mine is getting pretty bad to the point that I'm almost second guessing this beautiful car because my wallet can not afford outdrives every couple weeks . This being said I have been staying on top and replacing my driveshaft pins .
if anyone can chime in on this that would be great
Thanks in advance
if anyone can chime in on this that would be great
Thanks in advance
#6420
Tech Regular
Well, not exactly right. The shim actually lifted the whole bulkhead assembly including the hangers, so in relation to the chassis and the pin mounting points you are correct, but the distance between the shock tower and the pin mounting points has gotten 2mm shorter....