Mugen 4x4 Short Course prototype
#16
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yeah I agree, but that doesn't stop them from making a kit and calling it a 1/10 sct and at that point, you have to split hairs on what counts as a 1/10 sct and makes it so. And with enough ground swell of people buying the Xray and now the mugen, it will be very interesting to see how tracks address this in the future.
Kind of like how a lot of placed required treaded *realistic* SCT tires not too long ago.
Kind of like how a lot of placed required treaded *realistic* SCT tires not too long ago.
#17
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Pretty sure the only stipulations for a sc is the two cell limit. The 1/8 buggys and 1/10 sc are almost identical in dimensions (wheelbase and width) but differ in weight by a pound or more. The losi is based on the 810 platform which is still legal for 1/8. My rc8 is 2500g without a motor or battery. With a 2s and a smaller motor it's close if not lighter than the losi sct. It's doable but as some have said most tracks won't let you do it anyway. Plus most of us already have a 4x4 sct so converting your buggy puts you down a class. Personally I think it should be legit to race it as long as you keep to the voltage limits(which none of my cars fit into).
Last edited by slimthelineman; 01-25-2012 at 09:52 PM.
#19
True, but you can take a lot of weight off the 1/8 buggy if you know what you are doing.
#20
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If the dimensions are within the limits, I can't see how the car wouldn't be legal. If that is the case, then the Losi SCTE should be illegal since it is nothing more than a Losi 810 Nitro Buggy with a slightly longer chassis. Every part on the car is IDENTICAL to the 810 except the front diff case which is slightly different to allow the SCTE bumpers.
I would personally prefer more 1/8 based SCTs. I don't think we should be allowed to run buggy wheels, but would much prefer 17mm hexes. The 1/10 based SCTs are really lacking in build quality imho (cough, losi).
The 2s limit is fine too. The 4 pole 540 motors (Tekin Pro 4) could easily run a SCT 1/8 with no heat problems.
I would personally prefer more 1/8 based SCTs. I don't think we should be allowed to run buggy wheels, but would much prefer 17mm hexes. The 1/10 based SCTs are really lacking in build quality imho (cough, losi).
The 2s limit is fine too. The 4 pole 540 motors (Tekin Pro 4) could easily run a SCT 1/8 with no heat problems.
#22
yeah I agree, but that doesn't stop them from making a kit and calling it a 1/10 sct and at that point, you have to split hairs on what counts as a 1/10 sct and makes it so. And with enough ground swell of people buying the Xray and now the mugen, it will be very interesting to see how tracks address this in the future.
Kind of like how a lot of placed required treaded *realistic* SCT tires not too long ago.
Kind of like how a lot of placed required treaded *realistic* SCT tires not too long ago.
Yes, they do quite well but the current 4x4 SCT's are still a bit lighter than a true 1/8 vehicle (drivetrain, plastics, etc.)
#25
This is very exciting news!! As said before, there is no rule against conversions, only dimensions, ie. tire width, track width, length etc. Manufacturers are obviously allowed to use whatever material for chassis, blocks, shocktowers etc they choose. Look at the different trucks out there now. SCTE with al. chassis and 3 diffs. SC10 with plastic chassis and belt drive. Why would it matter if Mugen has a truck based off the mbx6 platform? It doesnt!!
#27
From the looks of the picture they are using RPM Blue Front and Rear Bumpers.
I have been racing my MBX6 SC conversion for almost a year now. I run the Tekin 4600 and a RX8 with 2 cells. Geared at 44/14, I can get 11 mins on a 6000mah pack. Temps are a tad warm at 160 after 10mins. ESC is fine at 110.
It will be racing in the JConcepts Indoor Winter Nationals this Feb, here in St. Louis as well as taking it to the PNB in March.
My Mugen SC weighs in at 7.3 lbs depending on what pack I run. For a 5 min qualifier I can get away with a 4000mah, and I use a body with the windows and back chopped to get the weight to just under 7lbs.
It's not quite ROAR legal because the Arms are a tad too long, but I don't ever race roar. They will probably include new arms in this conversion.
I changed the geometry of the shocks a bit by running a MBX6T truggy tower up front and a MBX6 Bugggy Front tower in the rear. I also had to cut a few coils off the springs to get the ride height dialed.
I used a SC10 front bumper, and a Losi SCTE rear bumper. For body bosts I use the Losi SCTE ones. Just about any SC Body fits.
Anyways it drives like a dream, tons of torque and doesn't nose dive like my old SCTE used to. Plus it's tough as nails.
I can get some pics up if anyones interested.
I have been racing my MBX6 SC conversion for almost a year now. I run the Tekin 4600 and a RX8 with 2 cells. Geared at 44/14, I can get 11 mins on a 6000mah pack. Temps are a tad warm at 160 after 10mins. ESC is fine at 110.
It will be racing in the JConcepts Indoor Winter Nationals this Feb, here in St. Louis as well as taking it to the PNB in March.
My Mugen SC weighs in at 7.3 lbs depending on what pack I run. For a 5 min qualifier I can get away with a 4000mah, and I use a body with the windows and back chopped to get the weight to just under 7lbs.
It's not quite ROAR legal because the Arms are a tad too long, but I don't ever race roar. They will probably include new arms in this conversion.
I changed the geometry of the shocks a bit by running a MBX6T truggy tower up front and a MBX6 Bugggy Front tower in the rear. I also had to cut a few coils off the springs to get the ride height dialed.
I used a SC10 front bumper, and a Losi SCTE rear bumper. For body bosts I use the Losi SCTE ones. Just about any SC Body fits.
Anyways it drives like a dream, tons of torque and doesn't nose dive like my old SCTE used to. Plus it's tough as nails.
I can get some pics up if anyones interested.
Last edited by CarlCrocco; 01-26-2012 at 06:31 PM.
#29
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cant see how a truck that fits in dimension wise is cheating,hell even the truck that started it all is illegal due to roar rules
fact is most SC trucks are still using diffs etc based of old 1/10 designers that never seen brushless power.
running 1/8 scale diffs/drive line is not a new idea but still a great one.
do i want a truck with beefy metal diffs from a 1/8 scale "hell yea"
do i want plastic 25 year old 1/10 diffs designed for 100 watt silver can motors and nimh batteries "hell no"
#30
My Ofna couldn't make it thru a race without breaking something, The Durango drives better than my car, but also is very fragile. The SCTE is better, but the drive shafts, and the diffs always seemed to get loose and woble, and evently wear quickly.