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Old 09-04-2010, 03:17 PM   #1
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Hay all: Was wondering if the velineon and flux motors are both castle creations based motors. Also how do they compare to an actual castle motor? Thanks for the info
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im pretty sure the flux motors are castle creations with a different case or something but traxxas motors are completely different. the traxxas vxl is a 3500kv motor which is slower and maybe more torque then the castle motors that are 4600kv and 5700kv i believe
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Castle Creations makes all kinds of brushless motors, from 1000-9000kv. The ones used in the traxxas emaxx and erevo are the 2200kv motors with a mamba monster pro ESC. The flux system used in the savage flux and vorza flux, etc are essentially the same setup, just rebranded. Both are 2200kv, and the ESCs have the same programming capabilities. Castle creations also makes a 2650kv with the MMP ESC, just like the flux 2650. CC also makes a sidewinder 1/10 ESC/motor combo with either the 4600 or 5700kv motors. For any 2wd 1/10 applications, these high kv motors are very fast, and you should not have heat issues, although the sidewinder ESC is not very reliable. But in the traxxas slash 4x4, these high kv motors will overheat quickly, which is why traxxas created the velineon system. The velineon system is entirely created by traxxas, and is in no way associated with Castle Creations. If you want to know, the Velineon motor is very reliable, and most malfunctions are factory error, and will be replaced by traxxas. The esc is not as reliable, and does not have the same programming capability as the novac havoc pro or MMP ESCs. In general, any brushless motor, whether its 9000kv or 2200kv, can reach the same RPMs, but the 2200kv requires more voltage, giving it more torque, which is why the lower kv motors are used in larger scale applications. If you have any more questions about ESC/motor combos, just post it.
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[QUOTE=Crazycajun322;7899808]. But in the traxxas slash 4x4, these high kv motors will overheat quickly, which is why traxxas created the velineon system. QUOTE]

the velineon system was released ages before the slash 4x4
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Hay all: Was wondering if the velineon and flux motors are both castle creations based motors. Also how do they compare to an actual castle motor? Thanks for the info
they're not. the velineon motors are 2 pole motors made by a company called Feigao, while Castle's 2 pole motors are in house designs and the larger 1000-2650 sized motors are based on the helicopter 4 pole motors designed by Steve Neu from Neu motors.

as far as the smaller castle motors in comparison to the velineon, it depends on the KV. the velineon is a 3500 kv and most of the 2 pole castle motors start arounde 4400kv so the castle 2 pole motors generally run hotter than the velineon.

however, the neu-castle motors are 4 pole motors and are a good 1 and 1/2 times the size of the velineon. this also makes it much more torkey and heat effecient. those motors are much much more powerful than the velineon.

the company that makes the velineon also makes large versions of the velineons called XL 540 sized motors. they are much closer to the torque and effeciency of the neu/castle motors. Feigo also make 580 sized motors that will produce about the same torque as a neu 1518.

i strongly prefer the feigaos to the neu caslte motors because i was raised on 2 pole brushless motors and all of the escs i know of will power 2 pole brushless motors. the same cannot be said about 4 pole motors.

for example: if you tried to run a 2650 on a vxl-3S, it would find a "rev limiter" of sorts after full throttle is met because the vxl-3s is designed for 2 pole motors. Some people say they have made it work, but i've never seen anyone do it successfully.

i can also say that for the most part, the 4 pole castle motors are much more effecient than the feigaos, but if you know how to gear your stuff, they also can be huge assets in your vehicle.

for more information on feigaos try offshore electronics. they are the biggest feigao dealer in the US.

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/categories.php?cat=14
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