Tires are ruining the SC Class
03-24-2010, 09:39 AM
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On the original subject, tires arent ruining the class.They are making it better.It's not like the tires get wasted in a day of racing like on a 2wd buggy.Hell, I have a pair of goosebumps I ran outdoors all last season, then ran indoors for half the winter.And they are STILL good for hardpack now that they are wore down a little.
This is no different than any other class.Each track will have it's tire choices that work well, and it's tire choices that work not so well.That's part of racing.Find what works best and run it.
If you want ultra cheap racing, you need to find a vehicle that is odd scale, that nobody makes parts for ,and cant be upgraded.Go team radio shack!!!But the reality is the moment it starts to be popular- here come the upgrades, option parts and go-fast gear, that makes racing what it really is. A contest to see who wins.
03-24-2010, 09:42 AM
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03-24-2010, 09:47 AM
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The spec thing was doomed the minute serious racers started started running it.We saw guys water dipping titans, siping the carcass of the stock slash tires FROM the INSIDE to get more carcass flex to increase the contact patch,Guys switched out the metal tranny gears to the plastic ones from the bandit /rustler to decrease rotating mass,and re-drilling the pistons in the stock shocks.All to try to get a little bit of an advantage.
03-24-2010, 09:53 AM
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I'm good with the race tires, as long as they remain exactly like they are now. We don't need a new tire of the year crap, like in 1/8 truggy where the tires have gotten to the point it's barely bigger than a buggy tire. That is where the evil axis organization that goes by the code name ROAR...... (kidding) has to do their job. ROAR can put their foot down so that mfg are not temped to start tweaking the tires/rims.
03-24-2010, 09:54 AM
#68
I think the point under all this discussion is that with every performance advance that goes unchecked, SC racing is losing the things that made it different. Once people started running Mod it became "another class" but it's starting to replace stadium truck which I see as a good thing. At least SC's are more different from current 2wd buggies than stadium trucks are. SC's also handle under maintained outdoor tracks far better (they're really lightweight 1/8th scales).
I'd like to see rules put in place to protect what these things were in the beginning but it's really up to the track directors and what they'll allow, which is all often whatever the racers want. Racers sometimes need to be protected from themselves. We've demonstrated a terrible lack of foresight over the last 20 years.
I'd like to see rules put in place to protect what these things were in the beginning but it's really up to the track directors and what they'll allow, which is all often whatever the racers want. Racers sometimes need to be protected from themselves. We've demonstrated a terrible lack of foresight over the last 20 years.
03-24-2010, 09:54 AM
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That is sad. It's called cheating, and in toy car racing, no less. If this was going on, the race director should have put an end to it. Water dipping a motor isn't illegal, but imo won't win a race anyway. All the modding stuff is strictly against the rules at most tracks. At that point, it's not a spec class, it's a look-at-me-I'm-a-tool class.
03-24-2010, 10:00 AM
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That is sad. It's called cheating, and in toy car racing, no less. If this was going on, the race director should have put an end to it. Water dipping a motor isn't illegal, but imo won't win a race anyway. All the modding stuff is strictly against the rules at most tracks. At that point, it's not a spec class, it's a look-at-me-I'm-a-tool class.
Doesn't matter if you are racing match box cars or top fuel dragsters.......racers will stretch the rules and try to get any advantage possible. And in many racers minds....it's only cheating if you get caught 
Thats the main reason I didn't jump into the spec racing and waited for the 4x4 sct's...I knew cheating would become rampant....and I didn't know if I could resist the urge to stretch the rules myself. And the fact that it is just toy cars, makes it that much easier to live with the guilt, lol. Anyways, I decided it was just best to not race that class even though it was obviously a blast. IMHO, I think the influx of all the truck brands and all the tires and go fast goodies makes the modified classes all the much better....anyone can go buy the stuff and not have to rely on Mason like secrets of 1/10th scale cheats. I think SCT turnout will just keep getting bigger, and much of it has to do with the fact that there's now enough aftermarket support thats it's attractive to all levels of racers and just not beginners.
03-24-2010, 10:06 AM
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I'd like to see rules put in place to protect what these things were in the beginning but it's really up to the track directors and what they'll allow, which is all often whatever the racers want. Racers sometimes need to be protected from themselves. We've demonstrated a terrible lack of foresight over the last 20 years.
03-24-2010, 10:42 AM
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It's called racing Doesn't matter if you are racing match box cars or top fuel dragsters.......racers will stretch the rules and try to get any advantage possible. And in many racers minds....it's only cheating if you get caught Thats the main reason I didn't jump into the spec racing and waited for the 4x4 sct's...I knew cheating would become rampant....and I didn't know if I could resist the urge to stretch the rules myself. And the fact that it is just toy cars, makes it that much easier to live with the guilt, lol.
Doesn't matter if you are racing match box cars or top fuel dragsters.......racers will stretch the rules and try to get any advantage possible. And in many racers minds....it's only cheating if you get caught Thats the main reason I didn't jump into the spec racing and waited for the 4x4 sct's...I knew cheating would become rampant....and I didn't know if I could resist the urge to stretch the rules myself. And the fact that it is just toy cars, makes it that much easier to live with the guilt, lol.IMO, blatant cheating is NOT what SPEC racing is about. For a select few... sure... they are losers. Just like the guys who cut the track or hack their way to the front because they are "competitive"... they have no class and are LOSERS.
What we should do, is call them on it. That's what the strict rules are for. Tech them after the race.... point out what a tool they are, and send them home.
Fortunately, I guess we have a better group of racers at our track. We didn't see things get out of control with cheating. I won't let it happen this year either. We will tech things if it becomes an issue.
Look at NASCAR. Every team does try to fudge the rules... a little. But they don't show up with a car that has like 10 things that are completely illegal. And when a team does get caught... NASCAR doesn't think it's funny. They don't cheat like it's suggested in this thread.
03-24-2010, 10:44 AM
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03-24-2010, 10:52 AM
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for me personally i think it depends on how you want things at your track.
I like the universal rule that they can't be 1/8 scale tires. but I can see where having a class where the RTR style tires are only allowed, and one where you run whatever you want as long as its a 1/10 SCT tire.
I like the universal rule that they can't be 1/8 scale tires. but I can see where having a class where the RTR style tires are only allowed, and one where you run whatever you want as long as its a 1/10 SCT tire.