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Old 06-25-2015, 04:22 PM   #16336
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Well I got this here and did think to ask what do I need to make this new exotek 12mm axel work .

What front steering hub do I need?
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Old 06-25-2015, 06:15 PM   #16337
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Well I got this here and did think to ask what do I need to make this new exotek 12mm axel work .

What front steering hub do I need?
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http://www.exotekracing.com/dex210-1...e1435273878059
You need the DESC210/DEST210 hubs TD330382.
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You need the DESC210/DEST210 hubs TD330382.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:48 AM   #16339
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So what works with these wheels beside B5 wheels? What about TLR22.



Precision machined titanium 12mm front hex axle set for the DEX210. New 12mm hexes has matching off set so that you are able to use front B5 wheels. Use with Exotek #1474 12mm Rear Hex Set for full 12mm hex wheel matching.
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Old 07-02-2015, 07:36 AM   #16340
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Can anyone confirm if these will fit on the DESC210 as well?

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Old 07-02-2015, 07:52 AM   #16341
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Can anyone confirm if these will fit on the DESC210 as well?

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Hi Tony,

Exotek does wright down, that the rear hexes are not designed for the truck, as the width would be too wide and make the not legal!

I cant find anything for the fronts, sorry.
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Can anyone confirm if these will fit on the DESC210 as well?

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You need the DESC210/DEST210 hubs TD330382.

So it will work sir
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So it will work sir
Great. I don't need to be legal (the truck class here is "fun" only), just hoping to get cheaper wheels/tyres.
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Can anyone confirm if these will fit on the DESC210 as well?

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Be aware that they will reduce the amount of thread on the axles you can use due to the hexes being wider.
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Does the new on point exotek system that Dino uses work for mid motor?
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Does the new on point exotek system that Dino uses work for mid motor?
No, it will not fit!
It's designed for rear motor only!
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Having not tried that setup I can say just by looking at the setup sheet that it makes the most sense of any I've seen. I'm a big proponent of balance tuning and if done correctly the front oil weight will always be lighter than the rear and the front piston hole area will always be less than the rear, as yours is.
Hey Fred, I know you have talked about this in detail in your balancing thread but could you go a little further here for the Durango folks? i.e. smaller shock volume and shorter displacement vs rear requires slower overall action to balance with the rear?

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Old 07-06-2015, 10:08 AM   #16348
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There's a big misconception about pack and that is that piston hole area is the only thing that determines pack level. Obviously oil weight plays a small role but piston speed through the oil plays just as large a role as hole area does.

The point of balancing springs is to get the wheel rates the same all around. The car will handle bumps better, will fly level, and will be very neutral to drive. You've got to get oils and pack correct to since the shocks are a system. The front shocks on our cars are only shorter because they are closer in on the arms. The farther out they are, the longer they need to be. There's no reason why we couldn't run shorter rear shocks on the rear mounted closer inwards. The farther out a shock is, the more leverage it has and the lighter the springs need to be. There is no advantage to having a long shock mounted further out with a lighter spring vs a shorter shock mounted closer in with a heavier spring to give the same wheel rate. From a spring standpoint, they'll handle exactly the same.

Pack however would be very different between them if the same piston was used. Think about what pack is. It's the oil moving through the holes in the piston at a high enough velocity that the piston eventually can't move as fast as is needed to match the deflection rate asked for by the impact. It's high speed dampening. There are two big ways to change pack. One is to change the number and/or size of the holes in the pistons. More holes/area is less pack. The other way to change the pack is to keep the pistons the same but change the total amount they need to move. Pack is a volume/velocity issue. The faster that piston moves through the oil, and hence tries to push the oil through the piston holes, the faster you reach the point where pack ramps up. If you have a piston with a set number of holes but only require it to move half as far in the same amount of time as the same piston in another shock that moves that piston twice as far, the piston that has less travel will have less pack.

If you are running the same pistons all around, you either have too little pack up front, or too much at the rear. Most people don't understand this and end up with a bandaid solution which is to run heavier oils in the front. Incidentally, on a related note, many setups sheets for 4wd vehicles show a spring imbalance with the rear being too soft and then high roll centers and sway bars being used to compensate for it. Lots of people can tell there's a suspension related issue but most don't know what's really going on.

Since the front shocks inherently have less pack since the piston is moving slower than the rear shocks that are moved outwards, you need to use less piston hole area and as a result a thinner oil. I use the drop test for all of this. I use the drop test for spring balance. Then I use the drop test for pack. It's tough to guess this but basically I just use a size or two smaller piston in the front than the rear and a couple of weight lighter oil in the front and then I start the testing. If I push down on the car and release and one end rises faster than the other, I'll go with a heavier oil at the faster end until they match. Then I'll drop the car until it bottoms out, but just. If the rear bottoms out but not the front, the front has too much pack or the rear has too little. If the front bottoms out first, the front has too little pack or the rear too much. You get the idea. At this point the car will pass the drop test for balance of springs and oil but failed for pack equivalence.

So let's say the front had too little pack. It bottomed out first. I'll empty the shock and go smaller on the piston hole area. Then I'll refill with oil. You may have to change the oil a couple of times until it passes the drop test for balance. If you get the front and rear rising and falling at the exact same rate and the front and rear end bottom out at the same time from the same altitude, you've found total balance. It's a drawn out process but the handling results are incredible. You will never be at a point where the front oil is heavier than the rear if done correctly. This is how I judge whether or not to trust a setup sheet. If the front oil is heavier than the rear, it's safe to assume that the entire setup is pure crap. Pick a pro driver and look at their sheets. You may see a heavier oil in front but will then see something else in an attempt to compensate. Front weights added for example or a heavier rear spring than necessary. You get the idea.
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Does the new on point exotek system that Dino uses work for mid motor?
It was designed currently for a rear motor setup. But I am sure Exotek has something in the works for mid motor, as once you chop off your gearbox, you either need to use a new gearbox to go back to mid or (when released) the new support brace for the camberlink kinda like the B5m when going mid.
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what is this on point system?
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