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Old 02-08-2015, 02:01 PM   #15916
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Most underrated buggy on the market.. Running mid and its such a good driving car.
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Old 02-08-2015, 02:37 PM   #15917
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Well think im done with Mid motor and doing rear motor it just fits my kind of driving .
A well setup rear motor car can drive very well on any surface.
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:39 PM   #15918
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A well setup rear motor car can drive very well on any surface.

Oh i know it is i drove a Kyosho RB6 with Rear motor mostly a stock setup it was a guy i race with . Man loved driving it grated yes its a different layout , shocks etc.

Heck man back when there was only rear motor on a 2wd i ran on a outdoor track that was higher bite and it was a xxx-t and it was setup good made the A-main most of the time.

Does it have the cornering speed of a mid motor yes is it easier to drive and more stable to me it certainly is .
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Old 02-08-2015, 04:22 PM   #15919
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I absolutely agree leverage is also a key factor. Specifically the distance between the motor shaft and the rear axle/wheel line. The wheels are the pivot point. This distance is the amount of leverage which multiplies the torque applied. Mid motor seems to be much closer to the axles however I don't have a RM car to compare so I am unsure. Longer distance between the pivot point and application of force means a higher NET force. In this case that's the torque from the motor and also the corresponding torque applied to the chassis from the inertia of the transmission as it accelerates or decelerates. Each spinning mass on the car is either additive or subtractive to the total torque applied to the chassis. As it has been pointed out a few times before it's usually not a good idea to use the ESC to reverse the motor rotation due to physical timing limitations, it's best to use a mechanical reverse. This is one purpose of 4 gear vs 3 gear. MM4 wheels and motor spin same direction with your spur rotating in the opposite direction of your wheels and motor. MM3 your wheels and motor are spinning in opposite directions, and the the spur in the same direction. Similar rotational changes occur with RM3/RM4.

best diagrams I've seen are here: http://www.team-durango.com/blog/201...onfigurations/

I hope this helps all understand the differences between each setup. I truly think each setup has a place and can be very effective when used properly.

Also, The overall balance of your car is absolutely crucial. This comes directly from placement of components and of course the springs on the car. Mid motor or rear motor probably won't have the same setup, probably not even close. So keep this in mind when you switch it up. You will want to balance the chassis for MM and for RM separately. Move components around before adding weight.
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Old 02-08-2015, 05:00 PM   #15920
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main thing I am looking at spring wise is from a cost and ease of identification perspective. durangos paint is a bit hard fo rme to see.
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Old 02-08-2015, 05:28 PM   #15921
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Technically their is only 2 versions, dex210v1 and v2. The great thing about Durango is v2 parts can be directly attached to the v1 without mods so some racers have a mixture of v1 and v2, like myself.

Here is v2 parts that are most notably difference:
http://www.amain.com/team-durango-hd...-arm-2/p296476
http://www.amain.com/team-durango-sh...type-b/p298932

v1 parts:
http://www.amain.com/team-durango-fr...-set-2/p213146
http://www.amain.com/team-durango-sh...er-set/p213151

The difference between the arms is the v2 are solid vs v1 are gull winged and open. The difference between towers is the v2 is lower vs v1 are taller.

I only have one recommended upgrades and it is these:
http://www.amain.com/team-durango-14...-red-2/p274295

Here is a great site for team builds, manuals, gearing, upgrades and more.
http://durangofansite.com/main.php?v...ket&itemid=104

Second hand items and be just fine. Just make sure to replace any wobbly parts, stripped screws and any thing else that looks not right. Having the manual next to you works great.
Thanks for this... is there anywhere that talks about the "Type A" vs "Type B" parts?
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Old 02-08-2015, 05:58 PM   #15922
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Nobody really helped me, im sure its in the thread but i couldnt find it. Any base setups for a indoor med grip clay track?
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Nobody really helped me, im sure its in the thread but i couldnt find it. Any base setups for a indoor med grip clay track?


It should be some on the Durango website on the team drivers from past years.
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It should be some on the Durango website on the team drivers from past years.
Okay thank you, anyone use the avid brass weights for mm?
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Old 02-08-2015, 06:14 PM   #15925
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Okay thank you, anyone use the avid brass weights for mm?


Ive never used lead weights on the rear end for MM but i would try other things like moving the rear hubs forward , moving the battery toward the rear .

If that doesn't work than try the weights .
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Most underrated buggy on the market.. Running mid and its such a good driving car.
I couldn't agree more!! The best car I've ever driven and its SO fast and stable!
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Old 02-08-2015, 09:22 PM   #15927
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I heard you can run b5 12mm hex on the front, what do i have to change out to do this...do you have to change the c hubs and caster or just caster bock?
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:37 AM   #15928
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I heard you can run b5 12mm hex on the front, what do i have to change out to do this...do you have to change the c hubs and caster or just caster bock?
All you need is the b5 axles and the SC front hub....no shimming required
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:33 AM   #15929
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Nobody really helped me, im sure its in the thread but i couldnt find it. Any base setups for a indoor med grip clay track?
It's really important to remember that learning to balance your own car's setup will ALWAYS be better than just using an off the shelf setup from another racer or the manufacturer. This is partially due to the component choices in your car specifically there weight as well as the placement. Shorty pack setups are going to be entirely different. I highly suggest learning to balance the car using the fredswain method. He has a whole thread called Tuning with Camber links, however it is much deeper than just camber links. Learning this technique will allow you to setup any car and always make proper adjustments. It starts with the proper springs and then adjusting the geometry to fine tune.
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All you need is the b5 axles and the SC front hub....no shimming required
does this setup still give you the inline/trailing axle adjustment?
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