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Old 04-24-2011, 09:16 PM   #16
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Ya screw ebay. Its shay, so many scammers, and ebay takes way to much of your money now. Its a shame to see where the site went after how many years.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:29 PM   #17
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I had an idiot buyer too.

I was selling a Garmin GPS, the description was all correct, but granted I had a minor typo in the title. Now that I admit. The guy won the auction and I sent the GPS.

Then he filed a dispute with eBay and CLAIMED I did not send him the right GPS, and the model he wanted (the typo in the title) does not even exist!!

Of course eBay sided with the buyer. No wonder I'm using eBay less and less now.
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I had an idiot buyer too.

I was selling a Garmin GPS, the description was all correct, but granted I had a minor typo in the title. Now that I admit. The guy won the auction and I sent the GPS.

Then he filed a dispute with eBay and CLAIMED I did not send him the right GPS, and the model he wanted (the typo in the title) does not even exist!!

Of course eBay sided with the buyer. No wonder I'm using eBay less and less now.
I'm sure your buyer knew that before he bought it too and filed as soon as he got it.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:32 PM   #19
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ok ,every time a sell something related to rc stuff on ebay i always state :SOLD AS IS and no retuns acepted,so i really never had a problem,i hope this helps on the future
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:54 PM   #20
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I'm sure your buyer knew that before he bought it too and filed as soon as he got it.
Well, he's sending it back now.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:01 AM   #21
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If it's a paypal dispute, and you used tracking you should be fine.

Paypal verifies that you shipped the item, not any sort of condition of the item or anything other than shipping.

I got burned by a forum thief (not here), and the fact the package was tracked is what prevented my refund.
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Sorry to hear about the douche screwing with u. I used to do a ton of rc on ebay with the vintage tamiyas and made a ton of money from it. But as the other guys already said once ebay changed it policy with feedback where the buyer get automatic positive upon paying it ruined everything. As a seller my personal policy was I would only leave feedback for the buyer once they left postive for me first to ensure they were happy. With that method i only had a few issues out of like 200 deals. Truly the seller now is at the mercy of the buyers character as a person and the faith they are on the up and up. Best thing you can do is keep every email you had on your deal and with any luck paypal will see the shadyness of the buyers claims. You'll probably come out ok in the end with paypal from what u described but sometimes its just better off to give the guy his dough back just to get the terd out of your life asap Better luck next time
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OP, you did more than many guys would ever consider in a zillion years. You bent over backwards for this buyer and got the shaft.

Hopefully it all winds up OK with you.

There is a reason ThunderbirdJunkie deals to a large extent only on RCT for used stuff. Just like SaladFork, he'd rather give something away than sell on fleabay.

Only RC deal that's ever gone sour was about 5 or so years ago. Traded a Tamiya Mini Cooper for a few speedos, one of which was represented as an MC330R. Turns out the MC330R was some knockoff of an MC330R (looked like an MC330R, but it was NOT an MC330R).

It takes all kinds, aye?
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:11 AM   #24
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Like others have said, just sell your stuff on RC Tech. I've sold tons of stuff here and haven't had a single problem. The Trader ratings really help. People don't want to mess up their reputation so they behave. Screw eBay.
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Wow, that just sucks mate.

If you can prove him wrong and prove that you made your best to help him, PayPal will return your money, and they can even take the buyer to the courts.

Don't worry.
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ok ,every time a sell something related to rc stuff on ebay i always state :SOLD AS IS and no retuns acepted,so i really never had a problem,i hope this helps on the future
That was all over my auction... To the extent that I was worried I sounded like I was trying to CYA because I had disclaimers repeated throughout the description... I have since learned that you might as well require a note from the tooth fairy to complete the purchase...NONE OF IT MATTERS!

Paypal's "buyer protection" policy is like a wet blanket on the fire of capitalism. If the buyer feels like they didn't get what they thought they were getting, the dispute falls into the category "significantly not as described" and is reviewed by a "dispute resolution specialist" in a closet somewhere. They even have an anagram for it...SNAD. I received a second notice of a SNAD claim last night and had 2000 characters to explain the sale, retort to his version ofnthe sale, and explain to a complete outsider how a hobby grade RC truck works and why, if it did break, it is the responsibility of the newbie buyer to repair/maintain it...not an easy task.

I read his "complaint" and I got a migraine from rolling my eyes...I will summarize briefly:

"truck was packaged well, and worked initially but after testing it inside my house it was apparent something was wrong"

That is newbie for... "It was fine when it arrived, then I did wheelies and donuts in my living room with the 3S lipo I bought (checked his feedback) and since what I know about RCs fits in a teaspoon I didn't think to check pinion gear mesh or adjust the slipper. Now because it's not bulletproof and does not fly around my home and drift, do wheelies, and basically look like the picture of perfect RC driving I want my money back...I didn't know this hobby required work."

This was my last Traxxas product (nothing wrong with Traxxas, just a coincedence) and when I sold it I gave him a box of Traxxas parts and have since given away all the other Traxxas parts and odds and ends I had laying around... I even threw out the box from the Bandit I used to build the truck...all things I would not have done if I knew he had the ability to just call for a "do over" because he didn't understand.
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Old 04-25-2011, 05:11 AM   #27
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If it's a paypal dispute, and you used tracking you should be fine.

Paypal verifies that you shipped the item, not any sort of condition of the item or anything other than shipping.

I got burned by a forum thief (not here), and the fact the package was tracked is what prevented my refund.
Sorry, they have a category titled "significantly not as described"...after google whipping the process there are hundreds of stories about sellers getting screwed by SNAD claims. I think buyers need to have some recourse if they encounter a non-reputable seller...but I may be getting the screws put to me for nothing more then selling a working Slash that stopped working after a first time RC'r drove it in his house and does not want to fix it...

Today it's me, take steps so that tomorrow it's not you.

I'm interested to see what they do about my negative balance on paypal. Will they just hold the payment in hostage escrow. Or will they ping my bank account or CC to make my balance $0 and make me pay to wait for the all mighty dispute resolution specialist to send their decision down.

From what I've read I'm screwed and will have to refund the idiot. I also will be lucky if I get anything back, and no recourse at all if he sends the truck back in pieces or missing pieces.
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Old 04-25-2011, 06:44 AM   #28
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Like others have said, just sell your stuff on RC Tech. I've sold tons of stuff here and haven't had a single problem. The Trader ratings really help. People don't want to mess up their reputation so they behave. Screw eBay.
Have you looked in the trader ratings forum lately. Scammers are everywhere

As for the OP. Call paypal, it does help your case A LOT. I recently had a T-maxx listed on ebay and 3 days into a 7 day auction I started getting all these questions from the high bidder and it was quite apparent he expected it to work like his full size car. Gas and go and never really have to do anything else. I ended up with over 30 messages back and forth with this guy, all the while hoping he did not win my auction, and trying to steer him to electric. Finally in the 5th day he retraced his bids, said he had entered the wrong amount, but then he sent me a message saying he bought another T-maxx. I truly feel sorry for the seller in that situation, as the buyer, buying his first RC wanted nitro and had no idea what he was getting into. I am sure if he filed a claim he would win.
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I sell obsolete product for a large motorcycle dealership on ebay, we have over 20000 items sold with a feedback rating of over 99%. My guess is paypal will side with you on this matter. They will look at the emails back and forth and make a decision based on what was said. The money is on hold until they make a decision. you should call them, the also have a live chat with reps which may be a little easier.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:08 AM   #30
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Sounds like the buyer is screwing you. But to be fair, iv just recently been on the other end. Last week I bought a vintage RC car from the 80s with lots of goodies. The pictures werent very good.. kind of blurry, and out of focus, taken in low light with a cell phone likely. But the 80s vintage was described as perfectly clean, "near mint", etcl... and the seller had great 100% satisfaction ratings, so I bid.

The thing was TRASHED... 4 on a 10 scale for how clean it was... holes drilled in the chassis, broken and missing parts...looked like it sat outside for 20 years. On top of that, it looks like the seller was bidding on his own items to boost the bid amounts.... He should be arrested for stealing if you ask me. I had to contact ebay and put in a dispute before the guy would even BEGIN to work with me.

long story short... its going back today for a full refund.
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