Its in reference to sportsman stock classes. Basically meaning Sportsman Stock Sedan is rubber tire only. If you want to race foams, race a different class, practically.
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I am very happy with the new rules coming down. Kudos to the ROAR executive it's a big ship but they are turning it around. The one thing I would like to see is those that use ROARs rules blow the dust out of their wallets and buy a membership to support our industries spokesmen. We as racers will pay $400 a year for a new car and $1000 after all the dust settles but tend not to pay the $25 to support the management and lobbiests of our sport.
I am very happy with the new rules coming down. Kudos to the ROAR executive it's a big ship but they are turning it around. The one thing I would like to see is those that use ROARs rules blow the dust out of their wallets and buy a membership to support our industries spokesmen. We as racers will pay $400 a year for a new car and $1000 after all the dust settles but tend not to pay the $25 to support the management and lobbiests of our sport.
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Agreed! I haven't ran a ROAR race (yet) but to support them I purchased a membership! They are the defacto standard for RC racing rules and they seem to be making some very popular and needed changed. Kudos to Dawn and team and their efforts.
I'm interested to see how the sportsman class will work in practice. I'm kinda in a weird situation. I have a hobby shop sponsorship in return for work I do for the store on the side. I would guess that would mean I would need to be in the 13.5 class but that is probably a little fast for me still. IMO, maybe sportsman stock should have been 21.5 and made the next level up 17.5. The way the speeds with brushless motors are ratcheting up the 17.5s this year feel like 10.5s did just a couple years ago.
I agree 21.5 should of been sportsman. That was my point on the other thread.
At our local track this year on asphalt with the same layout as last year the fast lap all things being equal was .1-.2 faster with a 13.5 this year than a 10.5 last year.
17.5 w/lipo and the timing advance speedos are as fast as 19turn was 4 years ago.
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Agreed! I haven't ran a ROAR race (yet) but to support them I purchased a membership! They are the defacto standard for RC racing rules and they seem to be making some very popular and needed changed. Kudos to Dawn and team and their efforts.
I'm interested to see how the sportsman class will work in practice. I'm kinda in a weird situation. I have a hobby shop sponsorship in return for work I do for the store on the side. I would guess that would mean I would need to be in the 13.5 class but that is probably a little fast for me still. IMO, maybe sportsman stock should have been 21.5 and made the next level up 17.5. The way the speeds with brushless motors are ratcheting up the 17.5s this year feel like 10.5s did just a couple years ago.
I believe hobby shop sponsorships should not be part of this ruling as to take away the customer from the LHS hurts more than just the shop owner, it hurts us all and this hobby doesn't grow.
But, please, lets take this to email so the other comments may come to this thread. I hope they are all as supportive as they have been so far.
Larry does make a GOOD point.... 21.5 should be the stock motor... and I will say this... this is the first step of some very necessary changes occuring. We can't do too much in one year.. and 21.5 is not as popular and already owned by many sportsman drivers. You can't make a rule that forces people to purchase new product. But, what is important is to work with the majority and slowly create change the increases the strength of the class overall. In this case, sportsman should not be about money and who has the best stuff. I'm sure some don't agree. And, I'm sorry about that.... but I do support the recommendation made to ROAR by racers in a class committee system and our own leadership committee that made the decision to take a few years and fix something broken a long time ago.
Its not perfect but only after trial and error do we learn and make the necessary adjustments.
Larry does make a GOOD point.... 21.5 should be the stock motor...
Its already hard enough to properly gear 17.5 BL motors on 2wd buggies and trucks, i can only imagine companies would have to create entirely new transmissions to get the necessary ratios to gear a 21.5, something im sure they would be against since cost of molds isnt cheap. I suppose im in the wrong forum to mention offroad anyways though.
Aside from that, I like 17.5 as the stock motor and if in the future stock got changed to 21.5 (which many sportsman drivers do not have, at least not in my area) then im sure that would alienate alot of racers or force race programs to create a "Stock 17.5" class and "Stock 21.5" class, further diluting the class structures. 13.5 is superstock, thats cool and makes sense. If 21.5 became the new "stock" for sportsman in the future...what would 17.5 be? Some kind of in-between assuming there was even a class created for it? Just sounds weird to make 21.5 a stock when I hear 18.5 are already "crawler" motors...
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I don't go to races to see if I can sandbag, I go to see how I compare to the best. I'm not saying that I want Paul L or Barry to start running 17.5 again but I want to see where I stand with the top racers in the area. If all of the fast guys have already been eliminated by the rules, then it becomes less of a victory. (my opinion). I don't care if I race in the C-main as long as the competition is good. I also don't believe that 21.5 should be the stock class at a national event. Its supposed to be a test of the best in the nation, not the best on vacation.
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stock got changed to 21.5 (which many sportsman drivers do not have, at least not in my area) then im sure that would alienate alot of racers or force race programs to create a "Stock 17.5" class and "Stock 21.5" class, further diluting the class structures. 13.5 is superstock, thats cool and makes sense. If 21.5 became the new "stock" for sportsman in the future...what would 17.5 be? Some kind of in-between assuming there was even a class created for it? Just sounds weird to make 21.5 a stock when I hear 18.5 are already "crawler" motors...
Very true. Exactly why we chose the direction we went and followed class committee recommendation. It was quite the discussion. (and I'm sorry to imply 21.5 is the direction in 2011. We don't know that yet.)
The next year will be very telling of our next move for 2011
I believe hobby shop sponsorships should not be part of this ruling as to take away the customer from the LHS hurts more than just the shop owner, it hurts us all and this hobby doesn't grow.
But, please, lets take this to email so the other comments may come to this thread. I hope they are all as supportive as they have been so far.
Larry does make a GOOD point.... 21.5 should be the stock motor... and I will say this... this is the first step of some very necessary changes occuring. We can't do too much in one year.. and 21.5 is not as popular and already owned by many sportsman drivers. You can't make a rule that forces people to purchase new product. But, what is important is to work with the majority and slowly create change the increases the strength of the class overall. In this case, sportsman should not be about money and who has the best stuff. I'm sure some don't agree. And, I'm sorry about that.... but I do support the recommendation made to ROAR by racers in a class committee system and our own leadership committee that made the decision to take a few years and fix something broken a long time ago.
Its not perfect but only after trial and error do we learn and make the necessary adjustments.
In my opinion 21.5 is still too fast for stock racing. At the local track 21.5 Rubber class is as fast as 17.5 was a year ago (based on laptimes). We haven't changed layouts so this has been easy to verify. 17.5 at a recent outdoor race I attended was approaching speeds of over 40 mph. I didn't do any timed speed traps of the 21.5 vintage cars but I'm guessing they was approaching 30-35mph down the long back strait.
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but I want to see where I stand with the top racers in the area. If all of the fast guys have already been eliminated by the rules, then it becomes less of a victory. (my opinion). I don't care if I race in the C-main as long as the competition is good. I also don't believe that 21.5 should be the stock class at a national event. Its supposed to be a test of the best in the nation, not the best on vacation.
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