Firstly, as Korgae explained, it was an issue with the Yokomo rims, not the normal Jaco rims (as I've heard nothing but complements about since they came out, everyone agrees they're a great rim). Really, think of this experience as the reason we DON'T switch to another brand. Jaco's (on the original rims that they will be back to in just a few months) have proven over almost 2 years to be great tires, consistent traction, long lived, and strong rims.
Plus, on a personal note, please show me any other distributer, importer or manufacturer who has been so personally involved in the WCICS series. Yes, Korgae is a friend. But who else has supplied tires to all the races WITH NO UPFRONT CASH REQUIRED!!!
Understand, without Canwest RC's support, somebody from each club would have to front the $3000 for the tires on their own credit card, as most of the clubs don't have that cash in their bank account, certainly not after they've paid for tables, venue, etc before people have paid their registrations.
Jim, I share your frustration with the Yokomo rims, but please direct it where it belongs, Yokomo, not Jaco. The fact is, as we've all seen, Yokomo rims aren't as strong as the Jaco's. As most know, I've always run X-Ray so can't talk for other brands, but from what you've said Jim, it would appear that Yokomo's reliability/strength issues extend to more than just their rims (not trying to brand bash at all, just noticed the trend). In my mind, all the more reason to stick with Jaco's as they'll be back to their normal rims shortly.
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Originally Posted by axle182
Josh whats the reason for having the Karz race in Airdrie? Airdrie dont have a club?
It was felt that some people wouldn't like the fact that there would be 2 races in Calgary, so Karz graciously agreed to try to find a venue outside the city. They looked at Red Deer, but weren't able to find anything, and of course it means that then everyone has to book hotel rooms. They're looking in Airdrie as a middle ground. No guarantees they'll find a venue there, so it may end up in Calgary, but they're trying.
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Originally Posted by rc pete
My suggestion for Tamiya Mini: make it simple!
If we're targetting $60 for a brushless spec motor/esc combo through a partner deal, get some agreement with the major Mini focused racing clubs, then write that into the class spec and be done with it.
On a personal level, I totally agree. I'd like to see it all brushless. But we're trying to make decisions that are acceptable to the majority, so it was decided a transition year would be the best. Also, if someone shows up, not knowing the rule change, they can still run, rather than being told to spend $60 and grab a soldering iron, or go home.
Personally, I recommend we all talk and hopefully agree to all run brushless. I know I will be. If there's no silver cans at the first race, it's a dead issue.
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Originally Posted by Scottmisfits
Not that I raced at all this year but making 6 races a year will be difficult for quite a few people I would imagine. Especially in December and early January.
Suggestion would be make one race out of province a mandatory race and 2 in your home province. But this only works for the Alberta guys. there will not be a perfect system by any means but 7 races in 5 months will be a tough schedule.
Different ideas were discussed, including something like that. Problem with making ANY race mandatory is that, just like we don't dictate to any club what exactly they have to do, we don't tell any racer what race they have to go to.
The series is just that, a series. If you want to participate, are able to participate, then great. But we're not forcing anyone, and we can't make it a 20min drive from everyone's home.
This is Canada, if we're making a true Western Canadian Series, I'm sorry, but it's going to involve a little bit of travel! Really, if you want to be a part of the European Touring Series, it involves a little bit of travel to.
The WCICS reps are good, but, at this time, they can't bend space and time.
The races are all voluntary, optional, and hopefully fun. Go to one, go to all, it's completely up to you.
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Originally Posted by pcar951
Should we have some conversation about a "reliable" supplier for our TC spec tire? Having to beg for leftover tires at WCICS events is not cool!
Any thoughts??
See above.
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Originally Posted by Akhor
From the point of view of a guy that like to hit the boards..
The new rims on the Jaco's suck. I had to replace one tire because of a broken rim before my main and at the end of the main I had two other tires with broken rims.. Total 3 tires with broken rims.. This never happened with the other spoked rims.
Don't know if anyone else experienced this, but maybe it's time to look at something different. I hear the sweep tires are really good.
See above.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Wishbone
If there isn't enough cars in TGT, get rid of it and finally make it a class that actually has some rules like VTA.
Its always stated that the WCIC has rules structure in place early into the season so no one has to scramble to get going, except TGT, as it has no rules. At least put a weight limit on it, but I'd rather see it gone.
Mini has turned into a lower TC class where you have to have the newest one to compete, and with the amount of bling and the level of some of the drivers in that class, its pretty much made that a non new guy class.
I had 2 broken tires as well, both on the back of the car and I have no idea how it happened without breaking some other components, very weird. The good news is that I hear JACO will be going back to the original wheel soon, it was a supplier issue.
Hopefully the products we run aren't coming out of Japan as I think its going to be a while before they get back on line after last weeks earthquake.
Lots of ?'s, lol.
TGT is the "open" class where new classes can get thier start. VTA is a great example of how well the TGT rules and class work. They're very open for exactly that reason.
Correction, it's wasn't always stated that the WCICS rules structure is in place early, that was the result of the new WCICS reps, and a lot of work over the summer. Again, TGT has minimal rules for a good reason.
We completely agree on Mini, which is why we're trying to level the playing field, and slow the class down, to return it to a more equal, beginner class. Nothing we can do about what chassis Tamiya brings out, it was a surprise to me that they would bring the M06 out which apparently seems to be a step change in the M-Chassis performance.
On the tires, discussed above. The rims are out of China.
Your comments are insulting and 100% false.. 1st- I always ask the host track how many tires the event wants and then I deliver them free of charge. This is done with a guess by both myself and the host club based on the previous event and has been bang on everytime.. No event has EVER been short on tires.. Infact every event has had sets left over, I left with 11 sets yesterday so what are you talking about exactly?
Sorry to call you out Jim but you had ample opportunity to speak with me during the event and NOT ONCE did you say anything about the tires..
The Spec is JACO tires and that is what we ran on, the same tires mounted on Yokomo wheels that Snowbirds and every other major race has ran on this year.
This has been covered numerous times in the main forum about the supplier of the spoke wheel having production issues and forcing JACO to mount on a another wheel while the production problem was solved. End of March is when JACO expects to have the spoke wheel back in production.
I understand some racers broke wheels, it sucks but to blame the wheel is a bit over the top.. The track was challenging and very high speed, this forced people to drive hard and when that happens things break... Could be a part on the car or... the wheel...
Wow. I wasn't questioning the "quality" of the Jaco product or even the Yokomo wheel. As per my post, my concern is availability! Jaco blues were in very short supply all season except at WCICS events so, I found myself (and others) begging for left over tires at the end of the Lethbridge and Regina events as there were none available anywhere in Calgary. PM would only rarely receive 6 or 8 sets at a time and they'd be sold in a heartbeat. I understand the wheel supplier had issues but, not my problem. I buy about 20 sets ($600+) of tires in a season and all Jaco Blues. Will they be on the shelf when racers need them? That's my question.
Jim, it would appear that Yokomo's reliability/strength issues extend to more than just their rims (not trying to brand bash at all, just noticed the trend).
Sure, pick on the only Yokomo guy...You cut me deep Josh!
Sure, pick on the only Yokomo guy...You cut me deep Josh!
Jimmy's driving and equipment maintenance is prestine...i would know cause i have 3 of his used cars and I haven't broken anything or have to replace anything in them except for tires. Therefore it must be some weak parts. I back you up Jimmy!
If you're looking for Jaco Blues contact Wonderland Toy and Hobby. Can't say for sure but last time i checked they had a couple sets with the "good" rims hanging on their wall and no market for them.
Sounds like I missed a good season final and I definitely regret skipping it. Try again next season I guess.
Mini has turned into a lower TC class where you have to have the newest one to compete, and with the amount of bling and the level of some of the drivers in that class, its pretty much made that a non new guy class.
Strongly disagree. Pete won it with a close to stock M05 didn't he? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) And Ivan ran an M03. It has more to do with awesome drivers choosing the M06. With 5 heats of minis there's plenty of room for new guys.
Strongly disagree. Pete won it with a close to stock M05 didn't he? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) And Ivan ran an M03. It has more to do with awesome drivers choosing the M06. With 5 heats of minis there's plenty of room for new guys.
Yay common sense Yep totally stock M05 Pro won, M06 then a rather worn M03.
It was felt that some people wouldn't like the fact that there would be 2 races in Calgary, so Karz graciously agreed to try to find a venue outside the city. They looked at Red Deer, but weren't able to find anything, and of course it means that then everyone has to book hotel rooms. They're looking in Airdrie as a middle ground. No guarantees they'll find a venue there, so it may end up in Calgary, but they're trying.
Josh I feel if Calgary has enough RC racers to support two full clubs, why are we catering to a small few complainers? I think its more prudent to be behind Karz themselves, THEY are the ones who have built that club, and its located in Calgary, therefore I would like to see it in Calgary. Why should Karz members be expected to travel? THEY are the ones who made the club so successful.
Id feel exactly the same if Edmonton or another club had two full clubs. How selfish would I be to suggest Edmonton move one of their races? Id be screwing every member of that club, making them travel somewhere else, pay hotel bills, travel expenses, for what?
Yay common sense Yep totally stock M05 Pro won, M06 then a rather worn M03.
AHEM, Cough, Cough!!!
What was powering those cars...........
I'm not doubting the chassis, but the power source.
Look how close TC stock was non boosted and 17.5.
Imagine how close mini would be with a spec system.
Spend $45 on a red dot that may last a weekend or a few months or $60-$80 for a spec brushless system that will last years. This will make the class truely a drivers class and with a side benefit of more people joining the class.
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AHEM, Cough, Cough!!!
What was powering those cars...........
Look how close TC stock was non boosted and 17.5.
Imagine how close mini would be with a spec system.
Spend $45 on a red dot that may last a weekend or a few months or $60-$80 for a spec brushless system that will last years. This will make the class truely a drivers class and with a side benefit of more people joining the class.
you make me laugh Jeff. Ask bruce about his screamer totally stock mabuchi. He laid down some silly fast laps in practice, just didnt have the luck in the quallies. If i had my hands on that one, and no one had a red dot, that race would have been really boring. Red dots made it more equal, and are cheaper than 10 brand new paper weights. But you knew that Actually was Toszers a Red dot?
I do agree, the brushless is an excellent step, i cant wait Ill be sure to put a little red dot on the can just for old times sake
you make me laugh Jeff. Ask bruce about his screamer totally stock mabuchi. He laid down some silly fast laps in practice, just didnt have the luck in the quallies. If i had my hands on that one, and no one had a red dot, that race would have been really boring. Red dots made it more equal, and are cheaper than 10 brand new paper weights. But you knew that Actually was Toszers a Red dot?
I do agree, the brushless is an excellent step, i cant wait Ill be sure to put a little red dot on the can just for old times sake
I guess I'm the only one whom seems to have luck buying off the shelf johnsons.
With the 4 I've bought, not one became a paper weight until I dropped screws into them holes.
I ran my Johnson and a mabuchi this weekend and saw little change in my laps times. However it doesn't help if you break a steering block in qualy 3, 4 and main. Yup same side each time. Time to upgrade.
and you answered my point perfectly.
Too be competitive you need to buy a mabuchi or red dot and know how to drive em. LOL
Take away the extra cost/unreliable cans and drop in a brushless once....
AJ just dip the hole can in red paint.....LMAO
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Nah ill go with blue and itll be the new blue dot lol. Its going to be a fantastic season in 11/12, and with more races, I cant wait. I hope to make Regina next season, Ill give the car show a miss this time.
AHEM, Cough, Cough!!!
What was powering those cars...........
I'm not doubting the chassis, but the power source.
seriously??
did you see the lines and throttle control Pete and others were driving with? There is no wonder they ran the way they did. Motors had little to do with it.
Try again next season I guess.
Yep totally stock M05 Pro won, M06 then a rather worn M03.
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