2009/2010 WCICS thread

stulec52 · 08-10-2009, 08:26 PM

Let's get started on discussing the upcoming Western Canadian Indoor Championship Series.

Here are the provisional dates and venues for this year :
Edmonton : November 6, 7 and 8
Lethbridge is Jan 15,16,17-2010
Regina I think will be family weekend in Feb.
Calgary will be 3rd weekend in March

rules in next post.

stulec52 · 08-10-2009, 08:38 PM

Here are last years : http://wcics.sarcarclub.com/Rules.html

but there are a few changes for this year.

The big one is that all classes that ran 5 minutes last year are now 6 minute.
so, Touring stock + superstock, World GT, Tamiya Mini and GT.

Touring Stock and Superstock will now have a minimum weight of 1500g.
( yes, still rubber tires as last year)

Tamiya Mini will remain essentially the same, except battery limit is now just 3600 Mah (i.e. li-po now up from 3200, but must still fit the chassis without modification)
also, the M05 chassis IS allowed in this class.

GT class. NO TOURING CAR BODIES. feel free to run a GT body, a classic even a rally car, but no Mazda 6s, no dodge stratus's, no DNAs or any other generic touring car body.
Anyone unsure about this one, get in touch direct with myself or your own club rep.
We really want to help keep this class fun, and also different from the 2 touring car classes.

World GT.
Same as last year, except now allowing SINGLE CELL only Li-Po packs.
I.E. 3.7 volt ONLY. Hope to do a list of what pack are out there soon, just to help racers out.
There will be no different motors used by those choosing to run Li-Po in this class.
World GT is now a Championship class.
current body list for this class contained in this rule set : http://www.worldgtrc.com/World%20GT%...s%20-%2009.pdf
although, I can't really see any problem with running any GT style body, but if buying a new body we should all stick to what's on the list please.

12th scale.
Super stock is now 10.5 brushless or 19 turn brushed ( of course you can run 13.5, or 17.5 brushless, or 27 turn brushed as well)
Also, just like World GT, Li-Po single cell packs allowed in this class.

Please feel free to ask any questions, make suggestions here.
or, contact me direct, or your own rep.

Thanks
Stu

Hyper_Mike · 08-10-2009, 09:46 PM

Firstly Stu, thanks to you and the other reps for getting us to this point and starting the thread!

In the WGT class rules that you link to in your post there are 2 weight limits, 1 for 4-cell and a lighter one for Lipo. Was it your (or the other reps) intention to use those weight limits?

What about weight limits for 1/12th...would we envision a similar weight break for the Lipo cars?

As a comment, if we are NOT going to give the Lipo cars a weight break (for WGT and 1/12th) then what exactly is the point of allowing Lipo into the class? I would assume that the same motors with the same weight with less voltage would simply be slower and therefore no-one will go that route.

Thanks,
Mike

Killerkevin · 08-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Thanks Stu for gathering all the info from the clubs and putting it together. It takes time and I appreciate the work that you have done. I am working on getting the Regina date nailed down and hopefully should have it pretty soon.

c-lyon · 08-10-2009, 11:07 PM

Mike, it also says for WGT that nimh and lipo won't be run together. However at WCICS I suppose they will, at least until numbers increase.

stulec52 · 08-11-2009, 05:24 AM

12th and WGT li-po cars will run to the same weight limit as Ni-Mh cars.

we really just don't know how the 2 technologies will compete together, so we'll keep things simple this year.

as for 'what's the point of allowing Lipo' well, we know you can gear a good bit higher with Li-Pos, so it will be closer than you think. maybe

adamge · 08-11-2009, 07:06 AM

So, my options in WGT are:
- buy a cheap battery and run the class
or
- buy an expensive battery, buy a expensive voltage booster, and figure out how to add like 100g of lead to the car, then be at a huge performance disadvantage

Think I know which one I'm choosing. And I will even have the booster and expensive battery sitting at home.

Now, where can I buy round cells these days?

tandman · 08-11-2009, 10:33 AM

12th scale superstock 10.5????

axle182 · 08-11-2009, 10:56 AM

Stu are you confident that the performance of 12th scale will be similar between NiMH/Lipo at the same weight? Ive seen some reviews which goes against logic, so its entirely possible that a Lipo 3.7v car can run with the Nimh car at the same weight with some crazy gearing etc. I just havent found any reviews or discussions that suggest that they are comparitive.

Cheers

axle182 · 08-11-2009, 10:57 AM

Also is that a complete list of classes? No 12th stock? Cheers Stu

kruston · 08-11-2009, 11:12 AM

ya no 1/12 stock?

Danny-b23 · 08-11-2009, 12:53 PM

That weight limit on TC is too high. If less then 5 people at WCICS races were running NiMH in TC Stock or Superstock, that's no reason to keep the weight limit as high as that.

stulec52 · 08-11-2009, 03:34 PM

classes are as last year.

only real change, as was voted in at the Calgary leg last year, was to change 12th Mod to a restriction of 10.5/19.

I called it superstock, but I guess we could name it whatever we wanted.
Mod, or almost mod, or whatever.
But yes, to be clear, 12th stock is still there !

stulec52 · 08-11-2009, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axle182

Stu are you confident that the performance of 12th scale will be similar between NiMH/Lipo at the same weight? Ive seen some reviews which goes against logic, so its entirely possible that a Lipo 3.7v car can run with the Nimh car at the same weight with some crazy gearing etc. I just havent found any reviews or discussions that suggest that they are comparitive.

Cheers

AJ,
no one really knows !
that's part of why Li-Po is coming in with no weight advantage or 'motor up' advantage.
Personally I think it's going to be interesting to see what the match up will be like.

stulec52 · 08-11-2009, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny-b23

That weight limit on TC is too high. If less then 5 people at WCICS races were running NiMH in TC Stock or Superstock, that's no reason to keep the weight limit as high as that.

1500 is the current ROAR limit.
It's also what the majority of the club ( via their reps) voted on.
It was a split vote however.
BUT, it was also voted to go to 1500 by the racers that attended the Calgary leg in March.

I honestly do not know how many guys run only ni-mh in touring car, but I do know that more than 1 in Calgary would be forced out of that class if fored to buy a li-po setup to compete.