AJ,
no one really knows !
that's part of why Li-Po is coming in with no weight advantage or 'motor up' advantage.
Personally I think it's going to be interesting to see what the match up will be like.
Why run them together when everyone knows they'll be slower. If you're going to, stick with the weights that ROAR gave us. It may be the equalizer.
Why run them together when everyone knows they'll be slower. If you're going to, stick with the weights that ROAR gave us. It may be the equalizer.
Again, these are 2 different technologies.
Also, who is this everyone who knows li-po will be slower?
I know 1 very well respected local racer who thinks it'll surprise many !
Li-Po is in this year, even though many who run 12th scale did not want it.
So, the least we can do is not give it an advantage thus forcing racers to switch to li-po just to compete.
Also, most clubs go indoor before the first round in November.
IF through some testing we can try to match li-po vs Ni-Mh very closely by only adjusting weight limits, we'll certainly have a look at it.
Also, most clubs go indoor before the first round in November.
IF through some testing we can try to match li-po vs Ni-Mh very closely by only adjusting weight limits, we'll certainly have a look at it.
Thats perfect Stu. You cant ask for much more than that We have to start somewhere so why not make the new stuff try its hardest to compete, its not like the 4 cell 6v guys are hanging back. If its close, let it be. if 6v is way ahead, itll be addressed.
Ill start looking for lipos for my 12, and if anyone has a used RS for sale.... lol
Thats perfect Stu. You cant ask for much more than that We have to start somewhere so why not make the new stuff try its hardest to compete, its not like the 4 cell 6v guys are hanging back. If its close, let it be. if 6v is way ahead, itll be addressed.
Ill start looking for lipos for my 12, and if anyone has a used RS for sale.... lol
Well thank you to all involved who have made the decisions for the classes this year so soon.
I only wish everyone could accept the decisions and refrain from debate. I am very happy things are decided so I can go and purchase what I need to in order to race this winter.
Okay, enough of this onroad talk it is distracting me from offroad!
-Kane
Also, who is this everyone who knows li-po will be slower?
I know 1 very well respected local racer who thinks it'll surprise many !
Li-Po is in this year, even though many who run 12th scale did not want it.
So, the least we can do is not give it an advantage thus forcing racers to switch to li-po just to compete.
Also, most clubs go indoor before the first round in November.
IF through some testing we can try to match li-po vs Ni-Mh very closely by only adjusting weight limits, we'll certainly have a look at it.
What you're doing now is no different. By not giving the lower voltage battery any kind of "equalizer" you're condemning it to have some con over the current NiMH technology, whether that be less punch or less top speed.
Well thank you to all involved who have made the decisions for the classes this year so soon.
I only wish everyone could accept the decisions and refrain from debate. I am very happy things are decided so I can go and purchase what I need to in order to race this winter.
Okay, enough of this onroad talk it is distracting me from offroad!
-Kane
Manufacturer are developing 40C one cell Lipo's. That is going to translate into a faster jump off the corner, and more excelleration. THERE is you equalizer. NIMH might have greater voltage but at the end of the day both cars performance should be equal.
Manufacturer are developing 40C one cell Lipo's. That is going to translate into a faster jump off the corner, and more excelleration. THERE is you equalizer. NIMH might have greater voltage but at the end of the day both cars performance should be equal.
Burst rate means nothing if you don't have the voltage to back it up.
Charging my 4 cell packs up this past week, my best pack topped out at 6.2v. Now if you compare those numbers to the cell specs on a 1s (I realize they charge higher then 3.7v) that's 2.5v more power in a round cell pack then a Lipo.
Now if someone could provide numbers on their 1s charge cycle, we could get a more accurate comparison. Right now with the rules the way that they are, I can still see an all round cell A main. In Stock and Mod.
Give someone like Pete Toszer or Wayne Mah a lipo 12th scale and they are still going to beat the average club racer with nimh cells. Fact is, the fast guys will still be fast and the average guys are still going to be average. I am sure that if the lipo cars are significantly slower there will be some sort of rule to even it out. Now if some sort of concession is given to the lipo cars, the first time a lipo car wins it will be a huge controversy. Now with that said, lipo 10.5 in a 12th scale hmmmm
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Burst rate means nothing if you don't have the voltage to back it up.
Charging my 4 cell packs up this past week, my best pack topped out at 6.2v. Now if you compare those numbers to the cell specs on a 1s (I realize they charge higher then 3.7v) that's 2.5v more power in a round cell pack then a Lipo.
Now if someone could provide numbers on their 1s charge cycle, we could get a more accurate comparison. Right now with the rules the way that they are, I can still see an all round cell A main. In Stock and Mod.
Well if all Lipo's are equal my 2S and 3S packs when charged each cells charge is between 4.15v to 4.20v/cell.
Can't imagine it's is going to be any different with a 1S.
I'm with WCICS on this one even though I don't run 12.
Try it at equal weight and take it from there.
It happens in real racing for new manufacturers (NASCAR) and if they're to slow/fast after a while they change the templates to equal them out. They all run pretty much identical engines.
Have one car of each type, get 1 driver to do 1 run with each car, check the computer timing and you have a pretty good answer.
Everyone knows that NASCAR isn't real racing, sorry just had to stir the pot.
That doesn't bother me, I only watch races like Watkins Glen, Sonoma (road courses) or Daytona.
Nascar on road courses are pretty good. I want BTCC or Australia V8's back on TV.
Burst rate means nothing if you don't have the voltage to back it up.
Charging my 4 cell packs up this past week, my best pack topped out at 6.2v. Now if you compare those numbers to the cell specs on a 1s (I realize they charge higher then 3.7v) that's 2.5v more power in a round cell pack then a Lipo.
Now if someone could provide numbers on their 1s charge cycle, we could get a more accurate comparison. Right now with the rules the way that they are, I can still see an all round cell A main. In Stock and Mod.
At our Summer Sizzler we ran 4 cell and 1s lipo together with weight restrictions :12th scale Summer Sizzler Rules
Jose suggested this would be good rules for 12th scale at the Sizzler.
13.5 being the motor best choices,
and Racer option either go 4 cell @ 865g or 1C @ 730g and the results were very close. This is from one of the racers.
Hey, some fun facts about the 1S lipo 12th cars running this past weekend.
4 out of 5 cars were powered by 1S.
The 4 cell car TQ'ed by only 4 seconds in a 6 minute abbreviated heats.
The 4 cell car won by only 3 feet in an 8 minute main.
The 1S car only needs one pack at $65.
The 4 cell car needs several at $55.
1S tire wear after 127 laps was .7mm.
Effective duration, 45-42mm: 535 laps.
Parts wear & tear after 8 events: 1.5 sets of tires, 1 body.
This was outdoor asphalt.Didn't mean to high jack your thread.
At our Summer Sizzler we ran 4 cell and 1s lipo together with weight restrictions :12th scale Summer Sizzler Rules
Jose suggested this would be good rules for 12th scale at the Sizzler.
13.5 being the motor best choices,
and Racer option either go 4 cell @ 865g or 1C @ 730g and the results were very close. This is from one of the racers.
Hey, some fun facts about the 1S lipo 12th cars running this past weekend.
4 out of 5 cars were powered by 1S.
The 4 cell car TQ'ed by only 4 seconds in a 6 minute abbreviated heats.
The 4 cell car won by only 3 feet in an 8 minute main.
The 1S car only needs one pack at $65.
The 4 cell car needs several at $55.
1S tire wear after 127 laps was .7mm.
Effective duration, 45-42mm: 535 laps.
Parts wear & tear after 8 events: 1.5 sets of tires, 1 body.
This was outdoor asphalt.Didn't mean to high jack your thread.
Comparable speeds because you gave the 1s guys a 135g weight break. That's what needs to happen.
We have to start somewhere so why not make the new stuff try its hardest to compete, its not like the 4 cell 6v guys are hanging back. If its close, let it be. if 6v is way ahead, itll be addressed. 
Now with that said, lipo 10.5 in a 12th scale hmmmm
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