2LikesUF1 is still alive and well in So. Cal
03-05-2013, 11:54 AM
#1502
The best marketing startegy ever?
Censorship test? Let's see: Wen Jiabao is the anti-Christ of democracy. The Chinese government is currently involve in heavy espionage and warfare via the Internet targeting its competitor's and political enemy's
I can't believe I've never been there before... The guy races every Sunday, $10 per class, and he's been there last two or three years...Good news everyone! We will be running at Marvin s every first Sunday of the month a club UF1 specs class race (and Le Mans too) PM me to be on the mailing list
Best Marketing ever...?
Last edited by HeliYogi; 03-05-2013 at 12:09 PM.
03-05-2013, 12:45 PM
#1503
Before the rug, pit marshals were getting their hands ripped up by the body pin when they tried to catch a car arriving to pit.
03-05-2013, 01:27 PM
#1505
Oh that explains it!
Y'all will soon ruin a great thing
03-05-2013, 01:41 PM
#1506
Tech Addict
soon ruin a great thing? yeah mandating things that are impractical for RC realities will do that real quick.
03-05-2013, 02:02 PM
#1507
enough of this RC vs. 1:1 bullshit. in 1:1 F1 the cars are powered by fuel, not electricity. if you cartwheel your car end over end there's no giant marshall to flip you back over so you can continue racing. there's air in the tires, not foam. there's KERS. there's DRS. there's a live human sitting inside the car. steering is done by muscles not servos. i'm guessing they don't use molded plastic suspension components either. tires don't rely on glue to stay on the rim. we can go on and on. where should the line be drawn?
soon ruin a great thing? yeah mandating things that are impractical for RC realities will do that real quick.
soon ruin a great thing? yeah mandating things that are impractical for RC realities will do that real quick.
Thank you!
I think also the complaining can be pretty real compared to 1:1 racing
03-05-2013, 02:40 PM
#1508
enough of this RC vs. 1:1 bullshit. in 1:1 F1 the cars are powered by fuel, not electricity. if you cartwheel your car end over end there's no giant marshall to flip you back over so you can continue racing. there's air in the tires, not foam. there's KERS. there's DRS. there's a live human sitting inside the car. steering is done by muscles not servos. i'm guessing they don't use molded plastic suspension components either. tires don't rely on glue to stay on the rim. we can go on and on. where should the line be drawn?
soon ruin a great thing? yeah mandating things that are impractical for RC realities will do that real quick.
soon ruin a great thing? yeah mandating things that are impractical for RC realities will do that real quick.
We've been doing just fine with the way our Series has run, and it's only getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Thanks for you input, though.
03-05-2013, 03:19 PM
#1510
If you guys keep it up, I will be lucky if they let me out in time to make the Winter Series. Time to go make sure today's factory does not having any 12 year old's locked up in back rooms. At least the ample view of short skirts and high heels at breakfast made for a good start to the day.
The American Panda
03-05-2013, 04:56 PM
#1512
Sorry
Sorry to ruffle your feathers guys. My line of thinking started back here:
"""Nohing really major, however we are working on a form that keeps track of what equipment drivers are running (basically, a primary usage form). We are also throwing around an idea of using a system similar to real F1 where, if you decide to stray away from your primary equipment (say, to run your IRS car if you posted your direct drive car as a primary), you would be docked X amount of spots on the grid. This conforms to real F1 where, for example, you dropped a new motor in your car, you would be penalized for doing so. This will help level the playing field for those guys that only have one car to run, as opposed to someone that has 2 or 3 for running on different track conditions. We're still trying to figure out how to properly police it but it would certainly add a nice twist to the series!
new rules look good... except the last part about the 'primary equipment' rule. i can see that working on a per event basis but not for the entire season. for example let's say a racer starts the season and declares that they'll be using an F104v2 as their primary car. well what if Tamiya releases an F104v3 mid season - will that racer be penalized for the remainder of the season if he decides to upgrade to the newer chassis?"""
As you see, we agreed on that, at the time. I am trying to point out that there are rules that make sense and rules that don't! We are only disagreeing on which 1:1 rules should be included and which should not be included. As a hobbiest/racer, I don't see why setting up a car to stop in the pits is such a big deal, obvioulsy many disagree. I understand that it's easier to run into a rug that bring your car to a controlled stop, but it can be done, has been and is done in gas (nitro for you nubies) for years. You want to run into a rug...fine. I was attempting to share my thoughts.
I apologize for my comment about "ruining a good thing". My concern is that UF1 is expanding and questions are being asked about the rules. There have been and will be questions about which rules are "required" and which are "optional" for "satelite" UF1 Series. An example of this is in the Midwest. We run spec tire, tires are open in Cali. I was thinking since what is decided in UF1 Cali likely directly effects UF1 Midwest, I'd put in my thoughts.
It has become clear that I'm not welcome here, I apologize for the intrusion...
"""Nohing really major, however we are working on a form that keeps track of what equipment drivers are running (basically, a primary usage form). We are also throwing around an idea of using a system similar to real F1 where, if you decide to stray away from your primary equipment (say, to run your IRS car if you posted your direct drive car as a primary), you would be docked X amount of spots on the grid. This conforms to real F1 where, for example, you dropped a new motor in your car, you would be penalized for doing so. This will help level the playing field for those guys that only have one car to run, as opposed to someone that has 2 or 3 for running on different track conditions. We're still trying to figure out how to properly police it but it would certainly add a nice twist to the series!
new rules look good... except the last part about the 'primary equipment' rule. i can see that working on a per event basis but not for the entire season. for example let's say a racer starts the season and declares that they'll be using an F104v2 as their primary car. well what if Tamiya releases an F104v3 mid season - will that racer be penalized for the remainder of the season if he decides to upgrade to the newer chassis?"""
As you see, we agreed on that, at the time. I am trying to point out that there are rules that make sense and rules that don't! We are only disagreeing on which 1:1 rules should be included and which should not be included. As a hobbiest/racer, I don't see why setting up a car to stop in the pits is such a big deal, obvioulsy many disagree. I understand that it's easier to run into a rug that bring your car to a controlled stop, but it can be done, has been and is done in gas (nitro for you nubies) for years. You want to run into a rug...fine. I was attempting to share my thoughts.
I apologize for my comment about "ruining a good thing". My concern is that UF1 is expanding and questions are being asked about the rules. There have been and will be questions about which rules are "required" and which are "optional" for "satelite" UF1 Series. An example of this is in the Midwest. We run spec tire, tires are open in Cali. I was thinking since what is decided in UF1 Cali likely directly effects UF1 Midwest, I'd put in my thoughts.
It has become clear that I'm not welcome here, I apologize for the intrusion...
03-05-2013, 05:03 PM
#1513
Not a Troll
Sorry to encroach into your world.
By the way, I don't consider myself a troll at all. I have been racing for over 40 years, Helped to organize and run R/C clubs, Series, and was a ROAR Director and Committeman. I ran in the 2nd UF1 Midwest race and had intetended to go to the next one. ( they are all over 600 miles from where I live)
Oh yeah, with the help of Tim, I built a Pit Stop Timer for the UF1 Midwest Series to use....
(I am older than dirt tho!)
By the way, I don't consider myself a troll at all. I have been racing for over 40 years, Helped to organize and run R/C clubs, Series, and was a ROAR Director and Committeman. I ran in the 2nd UF1 Midwest race and had intetended to go to the next one. ( they are all over 600 miles from where I live)
Oh yeah, with the help of Tim, I built a Pit Stop Timer for the UF1 Midwest Series to use....
(I am older than dirt tho!
)
03-05-2013, 05:13 PM
#1514
What he said. There's actually a LONGER list of things...
Tony, My comments were all an attempt to share my thoughts on the rules and why, in my opinion, the rule I originally commented on, your suggestion to add chassis restrictions "like in F1", makes less sense to me than many others, including haveing enough brakes in a car to stop in the pits. It is obvious you and many others do not agree. Comparing electric to fuel, DRS, etc. is toatlly irrelevent...imho..........brakes are brakes
We've been doing just fine with the way our Series has run, and it's only getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Thanks for you input, though.
Tony, My comments were all an attempt to share my thoughts on the rules and why, in my opinion, the rule I originally commented on, your suggestion to add chassis restrictions "like in F1", makes less sense to me than many others, including haveing enough brakes in a car to stop in the pits. It is obvious you and many others do not agree. Comparing electric to fuel, DRS, etc. is toatlly irrelevent...imho..........brakes are brakes
We've been doing just fine with the way our Series has run, and it's only getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Thanks for you input, though.
End of input...out
Ned
03-05-2013, 05:13 PM
#1515
Sorry to ruffle your feathers guys. My line of thinking started back here:
"""Nohing really major, however we are working on a form that keeps track of what equipment drivers are running (basically, a primary usage form). We are also throwing around an idea of using a system similar to real F1 where, if you decide to stray away from your primary equipment (say, to run your IRS car if you posted your direct drive car as a primary), you would be docked X amount of spots on the grid. This conforms to real F1 where, for example, you dropped a new motor in your car, you would be penalized for doing so. This will help level the playing field for those guys that only have one car to run, as opposed to someone that has 2 or 3 for running on different track conditions. We're still trying to figure out how to properly police it but it would certainly add a nice twist to the series!
new rules look good... except the last part about the 'primary equipment' rule. i can see that working on a per event basis but not for the entire season. for example let's say a racer starts the season and declares that they'll be using an F104v2 as their primary car. well what if Tamiya releases an F104v3 mid season - will that racer be penalized for the remainder of the season if he decides to upgrade to the newer chassis?"""
As you see, we agreed on that, at the time. I am trying to point out that there are rules that make sense and rules that don't! We are only disagreeing on which 1:1 rules should be included and which should not be included. As a hobbiest/racer, I don't see why setting up a car to stop in the pits is such a big deal, obvioulsy many disagree. I understand that it's easier to run into a rug that bring your car to a controlled stop, but it can be done, has been and is done in gas (nitro for you nubies) for years. You want to run into a rug...fine. I was attempting to share my thoughts.
I apologize for my comment about "ruining a good thing". My concern is that UF1 is expanding and questions are being asked about the rules. There have been and will be questions about which rules are "required" and which are "optional" for "satelite" UF1 Series. An example of this is in the Midwest. We run spec tire, tires are open in Cali. I was thinking since what is decided in UF1 Cali likely directly effects UF1 Midwest, I'd put in my thoughts.
It has become clear that I'm not welcome here, I apologize for the intrusion...
"""Nohing really major, however we are working on a form that keeps track of what equipment drivers are running (basically, a primary usage form). We are also throwing around an idea of using a system similar to real F1 where, if you decide to stray away from your primary equipment (say, to run your IRS car if you posted your direct drive car as a primary), you would be docked X amount of spots on the grid. This conforms to real F1 where, for example, you dropped a new motor in your car, you would be penalized for doing so. This will help level the playing field for those guys that only have one car to run, as opposed to someone that has 2 or 3 for running on different track conditions. We're still trying to figure out how to properly police it but it would certainly add a nice twist to the series!
new rules look good... except the last part about the 'primary equipment' rule. i can see that working on a per event basis but not for the entire season. for example let's say a racer starts the season and declares that they'll be using an F104v2 as their primary car. well what if Tamiya releases an F104v3 mid season - will that racer be penalized for the remainder of the season if he decides to upgrade to the newer chassis?"""
As you see, we agreed on that, at the time. I am trying to point out that there are rules that make sense and rules that don't! We are only disagreeing on which 1:1 rules should be included and which should not be included. As a hobbiest/racer, I don't see why setting up a car to stop in the pits is such a big deal, obvioulsy many disagree. I understand that it's easier to run into a rug that bring your car to a controlled stop, but it can be done, has been and is done in gas (nitro for you nubies) for years. You want to run into a rug...fine. I was attempting to share my thoughts.
I apologize for my comment about "ruining a good thing". My concern is that UF1 is expanding and questions are being asked about the rules. There have been and will be questions about which rules are "required" and which are "optional" for "satelite" UF1 Series. An example of this is in the Midwest. We run spec tire, tires are open in Cali. I was thinking since what is decided in UF1 Cali likely directly effects UF1 Midwest, I'd put in my thoughts.
It has become clear that I'm not welcome here, I apologize for the intrusion...
You keep bringing up nitro cars and their ability to brake. You do realize that nitro cars are 4wd and, when you slam on the brakes, they DO brake in a straight line and almost instantly. Even a 'nubie' could do that and still maintain control...not so much for a RWD car that has ONLY rear brakes. We can't equate a 1:1 comparison here since real F1 cars have 4-wheel braking. So yes, the rug is important since not everyone can bring a RWD car to a controlled stop from racing speeds in a matter of feet.
Finally, we are working on a document that all UF1 affiliate locations must adhere to to remain in a UF1 location. Some rules, like the open/spec tire, can be adjusted as the affiliate sees fit; we know that not every location can adhere to our ruleset.
The UF1 is a constant work-in-progress and, while we enjoy and entertain new ideas for future rule updates/changes, positive criticism goes alot farther than what appears to be an attack on the Series. I know this is not your intent...at least I hope not!!!
Again, we want the UF1 to be SIMILAR to 1:1 F1, not exactly the same. And, while 1:1 F1 has the top echelon of drivers in the world, UF1 doesn't