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Old 11-30-2004, 10:57 PM   #16
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Does the 19t motor being used on the world scene not have a locked timing endbell similar to the stock motor ?

Is the arm tagged like a stock arm?

Is there a list of approved motors anywhere ?
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the Dynasty has an endbell not unlike a 27t stocker. a notched fixed timing set up. Not to sure what the timing is.
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Does the 19t motor being used on the world scene not have a locked timing endbell similar to the stock motor ?

Is the arm tagged like a stock arm?

Is there a list of approved motors anywhere ?
I know that the EPIC arm is tagged and I would say the Trinity also. Not sure about the others.
EPIC also has adjustable timing, again not sure about others
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:09 PM   #19
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i know that some 19t motors are like stock endbells and then some have ajustible timing like the mod motors.

the only place that you are likley to find a list of the approved 19t's would probably be on an us or asian racing commities web site. the only reson for this is that because the 19t class hasn't been popular in australia, meaning that they wouldn't have made an australian one.
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I like the idea of a 19T class, however i would like to see it tightly controlled. Reading through the rctech forums (and others) you read some horror stories about they lengths racers will go to in the USA to get an advantage in the class.

It would be easy to impose timing and brush limits to ensure that the cost of the class doesn't get out of control.

Group 20 sounded like a good idea until everyone started to run 1-run brushes and kept on winding up the timing!
Timong was kept reasonable, i dont think any of us went over the 50 degree mark I remember popping off a few endbells though, being too close to the mounting points, i even remember some people re tapping the retaining ring to get a few extra degrees
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Does the 19t motor being used on the world scene not have a locked timing endbell similar to the stock motor ?

Is the arm tagged like a stock arm?

Is there a list of approved motors anywhere ?
originally ROAR dictated locked timing, etc but they have changed their rules in the last 12 months or so and im not 100% sure, but i think it has evolved into more of a spec arm in a mod can style of motor. But i also remember reading that extra timing etc is not beneficial to these motors unlike the old gr20 rockets.

I remember Ari qualifying in the A main of a state titles in 4WD mod using a GP20, they were a good little motor.
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Went to the British Association website www.brca.org and followed teh trail to their homolagion lists and found an extensive list of approved motors (about 20) which includes a lot of interesting motors including some with V2 type endbell and quad magnets etc etc. Looks like they are all fixed timing and tagged or stamped arms but do not require the tapered or extended shaft like teh stock arms and all have ball bearings rather than bushings.

I reckon I'll be going for a Orion Element V2 or maybe the Reedy Spec19 Quad Mag.

In Brisbane we (Brendale ) are going with 19t and open rubber - I reckon even my batteries will make run time - roll on 2005.
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we always look to the us for rules (being the 51st state an'awl) but the brca has some good rules and the lists are more descriptive and imho better than roar

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It's a great class, but don't hold your breath about it going nationally.
Some have tried getting this class going for over two years.
Without people supporting it like what happened before, with only a handful running every meet, for a few weeks. It's not going to get off the ground.
Also people don't seem to like change, especially those that see this imposing on their favourite class of racing.
Besides this country has too many classes already. We don't need to have 20 Australian champions every year, or it'll lose it's prestige.
Don't get me wrong, I love the class, but you'll be needing to put some other class to it's grave before getting this class recognised nationally.

Also international rules started tagged arms, 24 degrees fixed timing. Adjustable timing motors are known as outlaw motors, and some run this class.

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If you are going to do it, then do it probably, here are the ROAR rules for 'Super Stock'.


http://www.roarracing.com/rules/index.htm

You will find the motor rules for 19 turn on pages 29 -31 of the ROAR rulebook.
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If you are going to do it, then do it probably, here are the ROAR rules for 'Super Stock'.


http://www.roarracing.com/rules/index.htm

You will find the motor rules for 19 turn on pages 29 -31 of the ROAR rulebook.
im not making arguement, but im curious why say "follow the roar rules" and not say the brca ones?

europe is the biggest r/c region (the us comes 3rd after asia (if im recalling things correctly))
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why follow either?

doesn't Australia have its own RC governing body?
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yes, but there is not much point reinventing the wheel if rule-set can be lifted (or modded for local conditions)
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I personally don't see how hard it would be just to come up with our own rules for this class,

or at least a list of approved motors,
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I can see your point Rod but then much later on down the track we will get a thread like we have at the moment with people wishing to adapt international rules, Probably easiest to start off with international rules to avoid heartache later.

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