Conformity of National Rules
05-30-2002, 07:01 PM
#17
i tried rd logic solids on a nitro once
grip wasnt the best but very controlable
slide.
very good fun
grip wasnt the best but very controlable
slide.
very good fun
05-30-2002, 07:04 PM
#18
Sorry to but in but,
Here is another possibility, the GS IAS touringcar tyres, they don't need inserts and you can buy them mounted.
http://www.generalsilicones.com/110on.html
Here is another possibility, the GS IAS touringcar tyres, they don't need inserts and you can buy them mounted.
http://www.generalsilicones.com/110on.html
05-30-2002, 07:44 PM
#19
Originally posted by fatdoggy
Sorry to but in but,
Here is another possibility, the GS IAS touringcar tyres, they don't need inserts and you can buy them mounted.
http://www.generalsilicones.com/110on.html
Sorry to but in but,
Here is another possibility, the GS IAS touringcar tyres, they don't need inserts and you can buy them mounted.
http://www.generalsilicones.com/110on.html
Coxy.
05-30-2002, 07:51 PM
#20
Tech Addict
Originally posted by contact
no cheating with the rd logics solid rubber tyres, pick a spec colour and there it is - cheat proof, either you have the spec tyre or you dont! (grip may be a little sus!
)
the thing is with rubber tyres there is a flavour of the month, and then it settles down, untill someone wins with something new, and the reality is that there is not a huge difference between the quality tyres - yes some dont work in some locations, but most people could list the 'dud' tyres that should be avoided... sorex/pits/take off look like they come form the same mould...
stock should be run on rubber for my money, foam is faster, but not by much!
i have run rubber at morebank - once - and that was when hpi33's were all the rage - ive not been game since!
my current flavour of the month is take off 27's maybe i should give them a run at morebank!
no cheating with the rd logics solid rubber tyres, pick a spec colour and there it is - cheat proof, either you have the spec tyre or you dont! (grip may be a little sus!
)the thing is with rubber tyres there is a flavour of the month, and then it settles down, untill someone wins with something new, and the reality is that there is not a huge difference between the quality tyres - yes some dont work in some locations, but most people could list the 'dud' tyres that should be avoided... sorex/pits/take off look like they come form the same mould...
stock should be run on rubber for my money, foam is faster, but not by much!
i have run rubber at morebank - once - and that was when hpi33's were all the rage - ive not been game since!
my current flavour of the month is take off 27's maybe i should give them a run at morebank!
i wasnt racing that day but from the Gas guys i talked to they were ok
06-02-2002, 01:59 AM
#22
I'ld have no problem running on the Solid RD Logics, I feel there a perfect solution. Especially when there coloured. I'ld also be very interested in trying those GS tires. They sound great and I would think they may be a little better then the RD's due to the honeycomb construction.
06-02-2002, 08:45 PM
#23
You fellas from up north should really try some of the newer rubber compounds before you bag them out...
Tire technology has come along way in the past 3 years...Most of you guys are comparing foams with older technology tires such as Proline S3's which may have only performed for 2-3 runs...takeoff tires have been run competitively for 20-30 runs in modified, and as many as 60 runs in prostock. Tire technology has come a long way in teh past 3 years, with increased grip levels, with outstanding wear!
For instance, the fastest tires on all tracks we have raced on in Victoria have been the Takeoff 27r, with the included standard medium inserts (I repeat INCLUDED)!
The cost of these tires/inserts is $25pr. This is the only tire we run in Vic, and has always worked unless the temperature is over 30 degrees, then the 32r and 37r will work.
You will only need one set of Takeoff 27, and perhaps a set of Takeoff 22 (if the track is damp/wet). the 27r is a very versatile compound and works in almost all conditions, only in extreme heat or cold would you need to switch to a higher or lower compound.
These tires hold track record at Templestowe, Keilor, and I believe Boronia.
in testing they have also been the best tire on the indoor and outdoor track at Hoppers Crossing. (melb track and hobby centre)
I urge you to try them, and actually attempt to tune your cars suspension to suit the different handling characteristics.
Victorian racers have proven time and time again that rubber tires teach you to tune your chassis to the conditions more precisely, and when travelling interstate most drivers have been able to simply slap on some Pink/purple foams and TQ / WIN, with very little change to car setup from what works with rubber tires.
I travelled to Kambah to race at the Orion summer Nats in my first year of racing (2000), and unsponsored finished in 3rd place in the group 20 class using rubber tires against a field of 48 racers on foams, It was a big suprise to everyone who noticed the tires on my car, the foams were .5 sec lap faster and I have no doubt I could have won the event using Foam tires, I will not argue that foams are faster on that track, but we were trying to make a point, and I believe we did.
Cookie proved by qualifying with rubber tires in 6th place, and simply slapping on foams to win (dominate) all 3 A finals in Modified open.
This exercise proved that on an equal playing field Rubber tires promotes great racing, and advances your chassis tuning abilty.
Tire technology has come along way in the past 3 years...Most of you guys are comparing foams with older technology tires such as Proline S3's which may have only performed for 2-3 runs...takeoff tires have been run competitively for 20-30 runs in modified, and as many as 60 runs in prostock. Tire technology has come a long way in teh past 3 years, with increased grip levels, with outstanding wear!
For instance, the fastest tires on all tracks we have raced on in Victoria have been the Takeoff 27r, with the included standard medium inserts (I repeat INCLUDED)!
The cost of these tires/inserts is $25pr. This is the only tire we run in Vic, and has always worked unless the temperature is over 30 degrees, then the 32r and 37r will work.
You will only need one set of Takeoff 27, and perhaps a set of Takeoff 22 (if the track is damp/wet). the 27r is a very versatile compound and works in almost all conditions, only in extreme heat or cold would you need to switch to a higher or lower compound.
These tires hold track record at Templestowe, Keilor, and I believe Boronia.
in testing they have also been the best tire on the indoor and outdoor track at Hoppers Crossing. (melb track and hobby centre)
I urge you to try them, and actually attempt to tune your cars suspension to suit the different handling characteristics.
Victorian racers have proven time and time again that rubber tires teach you to tune your chassis to the conditions more precisely, and when travelling interstate most drivers have been able to simply slap on some Pink/purple foams and TQ / WIN, with very little change to car setup from what works with rubber tires.
I travelled to Kambah to race at the Orion summer Nats in my first year of racing (2000), and unsponsored finished in 3rd place in the group 20 class using rubber tires against a field of 48 racers on foams, It was a big suprise to everyone who noticed the tires on my car, the foams were .5 sec lap faster and I have no doubt I could have won the event using Foam tires, I will not argue that foams are faster on that track, but we were trying to make a point, and I believe we did.
Cookie proved by qualifying with rubber tires in 6th place, and simply slapping on foams to win (dominate) all 3 A finals in Modified open.
This exercise proved that on an equal playing field Rubber tires promotes great racing, and advances your chassis tuning abilty.
Last edited by King-G; 06-02-2002 at 09:08 PM.
06-02-2002, 10:01 PM
#24
Thanks for your input, although the discussion we have been having is concerned to do with a control tire for intermediate classes.
The issue i have is that there are still so many variables associated with rubber tires, even if we were to nominate Takeoffs, how could we ensure they have the same rim, and insert, and tech the tire, ( Have not used them so am not aware if they have a mold nominating compound)
I just do not see the sense of nominating a single tire, if you can then multiply the other variables, so that you end up with as many choices, as if there were no control.
I heard rumours that the reedy race tires were takeoffs and that they were premounted, if this were the case in my opinion it would go a long way to bringing it into contention as a control tire.
Regarding modified, it is called open for a reason, use whatever makes the car the fastest, if you feel more comfortable with rubber run them, foam if you like them better.
The debate so far has been concerned with an intermediate class between stock and mod, where at large meets there should only be Stock for Novices/Beginners, Intermediate for people who are quite not ready to move to mod, and mod. There should not be a national title for 540, it just doesnt make sense.
The issue i have is that there are still so many variables associated with rubber tires, even if we were to nominate Takeoffs, how could we ensure they have the same rim, and insert, and tech the tire, ( Have not used them so am not aware if they have a mold nominating compound)
I just do not see the sense of nominating a single tire, if you can then multiply the other variables, so that you end up with as many choices, as if there were no control.
I heard rumours that the reedy race tires were takeoffs and that they were premounted, if this were the case in my opinion it would go a long way to bringing it into contention as a control tire.
Regarding modified, it is called open for a reason, use whatever makes the car the fastest, if you feel more comfortable with rubber run them, foam if you like them better.
The debate so far has been concerned with an intermediate class between stock and mod, where at large meets there should only be Stock for Novices/Beginners, Intermediate for people who are quite not ready to move to mod, and mod. There should not be a national title for 540, it just doesnt make sense.
06-03-2002, 05:32 AM
#25
i think we need to look at the purpose of the existing popular classes before launching out in to a new one that may cause problems later (vis: group 20)
whats popular now?
540
27t stock
mod
i think these classes break down well for 'entry level', intermediate and advanced. (now before you all fly off the handle in defending your prefered class, thats a realistic assessment of where the existing classes 'should' fit)
im not saying that any of these classes is easier to master than another, its just if you start another 'spec' class you are simply setting up another class for the sake of it
the sad reality of life is that not everyone can be a winner (i know
) you have just got to get into the class that fits you best and give it your best shot - if your lap times and consistency numbers are falling be happy that you are getting better, if you dont win be happy that its easy to point the finger at your equipment (or lack of it) (that is of cause unless you have a yokomo - then there is no excuse! 
) or the 10doz hacks you got in qualifying and the final for your results.
its easy to set up a specialist class 19t/spec tyre, it wont be much quicker (if at all) than stock and its not likley to be any cheaper... good equipment and better driving wins every time.
tyres are well worth discussing... but if you go the way of a spec tyre sure it may level the playing field but... skills will be lost what about compromise?
540 - spec donk / spec rubber tyres
27t stock - spec donk / open rubber tyres
mod - open donk / open tyres
whats popular now?
540
27t stock
mod
i think these classes break down well for 'entry level', intermediate and advanced. (now before you all fly off the handle in defending your prefered class, thats a realistic assessment of where the existing classes 'should' fit)
im not saying that any of these classes is easier to master than another, its just if you start another 'spec' class you are simply setting up another class for the sake of it
the sad reality of life is that not everyone can be a winner (i know
) you have just got to get into the class that fits you best and give it your best shot - if your lap times and consistency numbers are falling be happy that you are getting better, if you dont win be happy that its easy to point the finger at your equipment (or lack of it) (that is of cause unless you have a yokomo - then there is no excuse! ) or the 10doz hacks you got in qualifying and the final for your results.its easy to set up a specialist class 19t/spec tyre, it wont be much quicker (if at all) than stock and its not likley to be any cheaper... good equipment and better driving wins every time.
tyres are well worth discussing... but if you go the way of a spec tyre sure it may level the playing field but... skills will be lost what about compromise?
540 - spec donk / spec rubber tyres
27t stock - spec donk / open rubber tyres
mod - open donk / open tyres
06-03-2002, 05:01 PM
#26
Sorry Contact donat agree at all. I think that firslty 540 is a no go for on road. Maybe off road but not on road, it is just silly slow. As far as control tyres it should be a set tyre insert ans wheel permounted. Use this for Stock and 19T. As far as Mod well people say mod is mod and should be open. I think that Mod should use a control tyre. If mod is mod then and we should use whatever is quicker in the car you should use. Well fine I will just go out and use a brushless motor system or put 7 cells in my car. See if you can catch me then.
If its mod then it's mod. See where I am coming from. It's only people saying that this class is open then we should use what ever is fastest. We all know that brushless is faster and the only reason why we have not seen these is because manufactures will loose out in replacment motors and the battery war.
Coxy.
If its mod then it's mod. See where I am coming from. It's only people saying that this class is open then we should use what ever is fastest. We all know that brushless is faster and the only reason why we have not seen these is because manufactures will loose out in replacment motors and the battery war.
Coxy.
06-03-2002, 05:59 PM
#27
540 is slow on some tracks (i would not try 540 at morebank for example) but at most clubs its a great entry class, drivers develop race craft etc... and why not have a novice 'national' class... we want to encourage new drivers, dont we?
and we are all working within the constraints of 6 cells and brushed motors (brushless will come - as least thats what i believe)
mod needs to be left open within the constraints mentioned...
im still not convinced that a 19t class achieves anything... will it be faster or slower than stock, will it be appecably cheaper than stock?
why not keep / modify the 16*3 class that already exists? (i still think fewer rather than more classes is a better way to go)
and we are all working within the constraints of 6 cells and brushed motors (brushless will come - as least thats what i believe)
mod needs to be left open within the constraints mentioned...
im still not convinced that a 19t class achieves anything... will it be faster or slower than stock, will it be appecably cheaper than stock?
why not keep / modify the 16*3 class that already exists? (i still think fewer rather than more classes is a better way to go)
06-03-2002, 06:50 PM
#28
Just a quick Q?
Why don't you just make it stock and mod.
27 turn Stock, rubber control tyre, 6 cells (the people racing learn how to setup there cars and be consistant), limit on batt's 2400's or less mah only. (I think King-G had a good point)
Mod with a turn limit say 10 turns(just to try and get people into mod from stock by keeping the costs down, i.e. brushes and so on)? tyres and the rest of it all open and obviously any 6 cell batt.
Other classes can be run by certain clubs if they want like 540(way too slow even for beginners
), 19turn a little faster then stock but not much and 16x3 moderate speed. It's the clubs choice, whatever is popular.
I predict your reaction is going to be, "Hell no" LOL.
Just my 2 cents.
Why don't you just make it stock and mod.
27 turn Stock, rubber control tyre, 6 cells (the people racing learn how to setup there cars and be consistant), limit on batt's 2400's or less mah only. (I think King-G had a good point)
Mod with a turn limit say 10 turns(just to try and get people into mod from stock by keeping the costs down, i.e. brushes and so on)? tyres and the rest of it all open and obviously any 6 cell batt.
Other classes can be run by certain clubs if they want like 540(way too slow even for beginners
), 19turn a little faster then stock but not much and 16x3 moderate speed. It's the clubs choice, whatever is popular.I predict your reaction is going to be, "Hell no" LOL.
Just my 2 cents.
06-03-2002, 07:13 PM
#29
LOL - not at all, clubs will always have freedom to do what suits their curcumstances.
i have seen drivers who have shown up with 17t mods and then shifted back to 540 and their driving improves to the point where they can move back to their mod and cope
- beginners cannot handle mods with any real speed... all they do is upset people when they prang into them - but they need to be encouraged to race for the future of the sport - they need success and they can drive 540 and have that success that keeps them comming back
i agree there needs to be moderation when it comes to batteries... have you tried to buy a new pack of 2400 recently?
ban 3300 + before they arrive in the market, dont winge about them after the event!
i have seen drivers who have shown up with 17t mods and then shifted back to 540 and their driving improves to the point where they can move back to their mod and cope
- beginners cannot handle mods with any real speed... all they do is upset people when they prang into them - but they need to be encouraged to race for the future of the sport - they need success and they can drive 540 and have that success that keeps them comming back
i agree there needs to be moderation when it comes to batteries... have you tried to buy a new pack of 2400 recently?
ban 3300 + before they arrive in the market, dont winge about them after the event!
06-03-2002, 07:19 PM
#30
Yes I bought 3 very nice smc matched packs about 2 months ago. I'm not sure about availability back home but over here 2400's are still all over the market. Can't newbie's hone there skills in stock?