As far as B/L, I would really like to see a good case against it but I have not been able to find one yet.
Maybe the supply of some technical details for the motors and speed controls, not just specifications partially written in German would help the case a great deal ?
Has the motors in question have any identifing marks that make them different from other manufactures motors ?
Are their rare materials in the build of these motors that are excluded from the normal brush motors ?
Example: why do we run stock class motors to the ROAR motor listings ? why not have open slather mega buck motors for stock ? why has the brushed motor classes have so many regulations and diamensions ?
Just some of the questions I have run through my mind, and I run a BL motor.
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It is so hard to fix the driver, but so easy to blame the car.
I wrote the proposal to implement brushless, and i considered the issues with dimensions, components, verification etc.
The way i thought it should be implemented was to specify which models are allowable, based on a couple of simple specifications:
Motor dimensions
Availablilty
Price
and performance
As long as the dimensions are correct, it is readily available in Australia at a reasonable price, and the performance is similar to that of a brushed motor then that particular model be allowed.
Currently there have only been two models tried, that being the Novak SS and the Hacker C40, and those are the motors that i included in the proposal.
While there are many other brands in varying price ranges they have not been tried and tested and therefore would not be deemed legal for Sanctioned meetings. If the importer of a product wishes to make it legal they need to have someone use the product to show that it fulfills those basic requirements. I dont see that the issue is that complicated, only those people who will loose money from its introduction would be standing in its way, i have yet to meet an ordinary racer who is against the idea of brushless motors, and there use in normal competition.
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The actual proposal was a simpler proposition, i am going to fill out the specifics, and work with the oldfart to refine, and make it easier to understand for the simpletons
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South Windsor
Ph. 02 4577 3166
i would not be particularly happy to see a brushless rule that excluded some brands that meet the basic "05" motor dimensions because they are "untested"
if it was clear that pletenberg, averox etc. motors met the basic motor size rules but had better performance why ban them? the hacker and novak basically push that their motors as replacements for 05 size motors i think that should be the yard stick and then its "open slather" like brushed motors (too some extent)
i say this without the benefit of seeing the actual proposal... so it maybe that this has already been superseded but from reading what you have posted besercoe im already nervous
Old fart - as per our discussions can you please confirm that a proposal is being sent out to the ARCMACCA;s affiliated clubs to discuss the legality of product as described on the other thread?
Again as discussed my view is that although being illegal, the exclusion of the Epic cells would put a dampener on the event, and prevent a number of racers from participating due to the cost of replacing packs. Epic motors are on my suspect list but as they have been commercially available for approx 3 months they could be passed by resolution. Regarding the remaining 2 motors i cant see how these can be allowed as they have not been available in any form. Just my 2 cents (everyone is now allowed to flame me )
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South Windsor
Ph. 02 4577 3166
Originally posted by Besercoe Old fart - as per our discussions can you please confirm that a proposal is being sent out to the ARCMACCA;s affiliated clubs to discuss the legality of product as described on the other thread?
fof has sent us a number of documents to be discussed at a c'tee meeting
Originally posted by Besercoe Old fart - as per our discussions can you please confirm that a proposal is being sent out to the ARCMACCA;s affiliated clubs to discuss the legality of product as described on the other thread?
Again as discussed my view is that although being illegal, the exclusion of the Epic cells would put a dampener on the event, and prevent a number of racers from participating due to the cost of replacing packs. Epic motors are on my suspect list but as they have been commercially available for approx 3 months they could be passed by resolution. Regarding the remaining 2 motors i cant see how these can be allowed as they have not been available in any form. Just my 2 cents (everyone is now allowed to flame me )
So what you are saying, we change the rules because some people might not race. I don't think so. What about the cost you had gone through to race Old Tech push rod motors again.
I just cracks me up that every body is in a flap because some people have read the rules.
Originally posted by Coxy So what you are saying, we change the rules because some people might not race. I don't think so. What about the cost you had gone through to race Old Tech push rod motors again.
I just cracks me up that every body is in a flap because some people have read the rules.
Coxy.
Is there anything in the rules regarding cross entry?
Old fart - as per our discussions can you please confirm that a proposal is being sent out to the ARCMACCA;s affiliated clubs to discuss the legality of product as described on the other thread?
This mourning, I have sent by e-mail to clubs affiliated with AARCMCC, a proposal as stated above.
I have now in my possession a copy of the IFMAR approved motors and battery listings for 2003.
The products only have an approval year in the dates, eg:2003
I am still researching the Zebra issue and will post my findings ASAP.
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It is so hard to fix the driver, but so easy to blame the car.
has there been any amendments to the brushless submission?
i would like to see argument as to their structure as sent to the clubs last week...
i nervous on a couple of fronts that your in danger of creating rules that are harder to operate that what currently exists...
why not just outline technical specs like the brushed motor rules and let the motors come from wherever and cost what they will... its not my submission but while supporting brushless im not keen on this rule
define by length, can diameter (excluding heat sink cast or otherwise) and shaft diameter and that should be enough to create an open rule that does not exclude motors that could possibly be run and make its easy to police with a set of calipers
otherwise everyime there is a new bl it has to go to the vote an get put on the list - and that spells trouble IMO
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