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Old 10-14-2003, 05:14 PM   #46
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how is AARCMCC progressing with the Brushless Motor introduction request? have voting forms been sent out to all affiliated clubs yet?
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A submission has been put to AARCMCC in regards to adopting Brushless motors.
Postal votes should go out to affiliated this week ending.
The vote should take place at the AGM.
The meeting place is still to be advised.
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A submission has been put to AARCMCC in regards to adopting Brushless motors.
Postal votes should go out to affiliated this week ending.
The vote should take place at the AGM.
The meeting place is still to be advised.
Votes have not been sent yet???? what is going on SORMCCC submitted that proposal three months ago.
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what does it matter, any changes wont impact on this year's racing anyway? so long as gets voted on...

like all bureaucracies things take time
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of course it wont affect this years meeting, but these proposals are meant to be put out to the affiliated clubs well in advance of the meeting, so that there can be proper discussion at club level, an educated vote can be made at the meeting, and the change if voted in will be, legal the day after the meeting.
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point taken, but most clubs will probably have had discussions already on brushless motors (if like us there will be a few running and incorporated in local rules anyway)
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what does it matter, any changes wont impact on this year's racing anyway? so long as gets voted on...

like all bureaucracies things take time
so how can the weight limit rule change and be implemented straight away with out issue?

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Does anyone know how many ARCMACCA's affiliated electric onroad clubs there are in Aus. As far as i know there are only 2 NSW clubs affiliated, IMCC and SORMCC, and i dont think there are any vic affiliated clubs, as far as i know there is only 1 QLD club.

So out of the 4 clubs above all 4 allow brushless already in their own rules.

Please can some one provide a complete listing of affiliated clubs?
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kambah is on the books (or at least was!)

northside were ... and i think there was a list on the aarcmcc web site...???

as for our rules - we drop them in with mod, but only run mod if there are enough numbers for the class anyway... next year we have been considering a limited mod class (10-12t) v's unlimited mod and it will include brushless motors regardless - remember these are only local rules
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BK: do you think the weight rule should be held over?

i doubt you think that those with personal transponders should be handed a weight advantage? i agree with your sentiments that 3weeks before the race its anounced is a bit late
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kambah is on the books (or at least was!)

northside were ... and i think there was a list on the aarcmcc web site...???

as for our rules - we drop them in with mod, but only run mod if there are enough numbers for the class anyway... next year we have been considering a limited mod class (10-12t) v's unlimited mod and it will include brushless motors regardless - remember these are only local rules
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BK: do you think the weight rule should be held over?

i doubt you think that those with personal transponders should be handed a weight advantage? i agree with your sentiments that 3weeks before the race its anounced is a bit late
BK: do you think the weight rule should be held over? YES as a matter of principle.
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Ok from the ARCMACCA's website, ELECTRIC ONROAD affiliated clubs


SORMCC - Brushless Approved
IMCC - Brushless Approved
Northside - I have raced it there, so i assume approved
Kambah - Approved per rules for ACT Titles
Dandenong - ?????
Wodonga - ?????
Perth RC - Brushless Approved


So can someone provide a explanation of how a rule change is implemented, 5 out of 7 clubs i expect to pass the proposal.

So can i bolt my brushless back in?
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BK: im saddened by your princple, but your entitled to it...

besercoe: i have no problem with that! but ill be truing motors in another class anyway!
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The votes are scaled to provide an equal number of votes per State/Territory.

Whilst I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case; I think it is worth remembering that what clubs allow at club level meetings may not be what they would want at a State or National level.

Our club would be quite happy to allow someone to run stock with a Johnson armature stuck in a mod can at 24 degrees at a club meeting because we want to encourage entries, but we wouldn't want that legal at State and National titles.

The same might be true of Brushless motors at certain clubs. I imagine that this probably isn't the case given that Kambah was happy to run them at the ACT titles but I think it would be wise to wait before the clubs actually vote before we all go out and buy our new brushless motors.

Summary: Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched.

With regard to the long wait between submission and asking for a vote. PE has only just taken over as Electric Section head, before him the IC section president was doing 2 jobs so I think we can be lenient.

With regard to the weight limit. Unless someone can show me how the current rules can be interpreted such that this new rule is in fact the rule we already have then it needs a vote to be legal.
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The weight limit change is more common sense than anything else.
To ease the burden on everyone, we will have a meeting with reps from all states present only before racing commenses on the day and make a decission then.
We might have to take out our personal transponders and just run the heavy ones.
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The votes are scaled to provide an equal number of votes per State/Territory.

Whilst I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case; I think it is worth remembering that what clubs allow at club level meetings may not be what they would want at a State or National level.

Our club would be quite happy to allow someone to run stock with a Johnson armature stuck in a mod can at 24 degrees at a club meeting because we want to encourage entries, but we wouldn't want that legal at State and National titles.

The same might be true of Brushless motors at certain clubs. I imagine that this probably isn't the case given that Kambah was happy to run them at the ACT titles but I think it would be wise to wait before the clubs actually vote before we all go out and buy our new brushless motors.

Summary: Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched.

With regard to the long wait between submission and asking for a vote. PE has only just taken over as Electric Section head, before him the IC section president was doing 2 jobs so I think we can be lenient.

With regard to the weight limit. Unless someone can show me how the current rules can be interpreted such that this new rule is in fact the rule we already have then it needs a vote to be legal.
I agree with a few points here. the weight should be ok for NEXT years nationals AFTER A VOTE.

As for one letter sent to max six club and takes 3 months is a joke.

As far as B/L, I would really like to see a good case against it but I have not been able to find one yet.

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