The Cost of Racing at the Worlds
#1
The Cost of Racing at the Worlds
Heres something to concider for those who are in favour of control tyres.
At the electric ISTC On Road World Championships, the price of a set of pre-mounted (count 4 wheels, tyres & inserts per set) is EUR$35.00 (AUD $60.50) Worlds Tyre Orders
Not wanting to stir the pot, but damn they know how to (over) charge the drivers wanting to compete at this level.
If ever we had to look at prices like this in our economy, I will garentee you that the control tyre rules will scrubbed very quickly.
It is also good to know that We have been approached by some other tyre suppliers willing to supply tyres at better pricing than we have seen at most major meetings that I know of.
Also in the rumour mills, stories from some of the worlds top drivers testing brushless with LiPo cells are complaing about the tyre destruction factor with this combination. Massive speed and loads with a car that is approx 130 grams lighter.
An interesting future ahead
At the electric ISTC On Road World Championships, the price of a set of pre-mounted (count 4 wheels, tyres & inserts per set) is EUR$35.00 (AUD $60.50) Worlds Tyre Orders
Not wanting to stir the pot, but damn they know how to (over) charge the drivers wanting to compete at this level.
If ever we had to look at prices like this in our economy, I will garentee you that the control tyre rules will scrubbed very quickly.
It is also good to know that We have been approached by some other tyre suppliers willing to supply tyres at better pricing than we have seen at most major meetings that I know of.
Also in the rumour mills, stories from some of the worlds top drivers testing brushless with LiPo cells are complaing about the tyre destruction factor with this combination. Massive speed and loads with a car that is approx 130 grams lighter.
An interesting future ahead
#2
with the extra power and runtime of brushless/lipo and people wanting longer races the tyre companys are going to have a job on there hands.
#3
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Originally Posted by fastolfart
Heres something to concider for those who are in favour of control tyres.
At the electric ISTC On Road World Championships, the price of a set of pre-mounted (count 4 wheels, tyres & inserts per set) is EUR$35.00 (AUD $60.50) Worlds Tyre Orders
Not wanting to stir the pot, but damn they know how to (over) charge the drivers wanting to compete at this level.
At the electric ISTC On Road World Championships, the price of a set of pre-mounted (count 4 wheels, tyres & inserts per set) is EUR$35.00 (AUD $60.50) Worlds Tyre Orders
Not wanting to stir the pot, but damn they know how to (over) charge the drivers wanting to compete at this level.
As regards brushless/lipo, it's only a problem if we let it be a problem. If chassis and tyres are overpowered, then we can simply regulate the power. There is nothing forcing clubs and ultimately aarcmcc to accept 7.4 volt lipo packs just because manufacturers sell them. If we regulated 6 volt nominal (5 cell nimh), lipo manufacturers would find a way to play the game. The power is in the hands of the racers/clubs/organising bodies to set the rules, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by scott_g
It's still an awful lot cheaper than open tyres. Imagine how many combinations the teams would need to have in an open tyre race. Thank goodness for control tyres.
As regards brushless/lipo, it's only a problem if we let it be a problem. If chassis and tyres are overpowered, then we can simply regulate the power. There is nothing forcing clubs and ultimately aarcmcc to accept 7.4 volt lipo packs just because manufacturers sell them. If we regulated 6 volt nominal (5 cell nimh), lipo manufacturers would find a way to play the game. The power is in the hands of the racers/clubs/organising bodies to set the rules, not the other way around.
As regards brushless/lipo, it's only a problem if we let it be a problem. If chassis and tyres are overpowered, then we can simply regulate the power. There is nothing forcing clubs and ultimately aarcmcc to accept 7.4 volt lipo packs just because manufacturers sell them. If we regulated 6 volt nominal (5 cell nimh), lipo manufacturers would find a way to play the game. The power is in the hands of the racers/clubs/organising bodies to set the rules, not the other way around.
I thought the driving force for the current rule changes was to align us with the rest of the world? Now you are proposing to initiate changes that will unlikely be bought in anywhere else?
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Originally Posted by Besercoe
I thought the driving force for the current rule changes was to align us with the rest of the world? Now you are proposing to initiate changes that will unlikely be bought in anywhere else?
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Originally Posted by fastolfart
It is also good to know that We have been approached by some other tyre suppliers willing to supply tyres at better pricing than we have seen at most major meetings that I know of.
Am I correct in saying that its the host venue which chooses the tyres for a sanctioned event, not AARCMCA?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Atomix
I thought the driving force was reduced costs & parity for drivers. The fact that its a global standard is in line with that (correct) thinking.
reduced costs? it has cost me more money at every controlled event so far than any outdoor open event i have ever entered. Most people forget about practice costs when considering the real cost of the event.
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Originally Posted by Besercoe
reduced costs? it has cost me more money at every controlled event so far than any outdoor open event i have ever entered. Most people forget about practice costs when considering the real cost of the event.
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Originally Posted by Besercoe
Most people forget about practice costs when considering the real cost of the event.
Originally Posted by ScottG
There is nothing forcing clubs and ultimately aarcmcc to accept 7.4 volt lipo packs just because manufacturers sell them.
When drivers believe they can gain an advantage by using some new as-yet-illegal device, then they whinge about it until it is approved, even if it is not in the hobby's best interest.
Of course, once the said item is legal - then everyone buys it - the status-quo is returned - and we are once again just alittle bit poorer
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Originally Posted by Besercoe
I thought the driving force for the current rule changes was to align us with the rest of the world? Now you are proposing to initiate changes that will unlikely be bought in anywhere else?
Maybe they are changes that are being talked about in other parts of the world. My understanding is that Japan either already have, or are seriously considering dropping back to 4 or 5 cell racing. Maybe that's not true and "we" could lead the world to a new and better place. Who knows.
In the case of the tyre rules, alignment with 'the world' is only a side benefit in my view. The move to controlled tyre racing in Australia came from a club's proposal and was voted on nationally. It was a decision of democracy.
Where should rule changes come from if not from grassroots - clubs and organisations determining what they want? Where did Group 20 come from, or Clubspec, or the v8540 racing sydney drivers might remember? Where did truggy racing come from?
#11
I could be wrong (it has happened i am sure. lol )
I thought the cost of the take off 27 pre glued were 20 or 25 USD in Florida.
But to answer your question fastolfart the cost of a world champs watching your final one word PRICELESS!!!!
What position was that again .
But gee we ate well fastolfart, Chilles anyone.
I thought the cost of the take off 27 pre glued were 20 or 25 USD in Florida.
But to answer your question fastolfart the cost of a world champs watching your final one word PRICELESS!!!!
What position was that again .
But gee we ate well fastolfart, Chilles anyone.
#12
I knew the knockers would be in like a flash, but the comment was aimed at the cost of control tyres at this meeting, at $60 per set, that is not cheap.
Something that we have to prevent happening in Australia.
At the moment, the host clubs do nominate the tyres for the meetings, it is something we have to look into further to try and reduce costs. At the end of the day, the costs of tyres no mater what we run is the biggest expense we face to be competitive.
Though restricting motors and batteries theoretically would appear to make racing cheaper, it has been proven to make racing costs go up further.
AARCMCC has always followed the IFMAR rules for guide lines for motors and batteries.
The 5 cell mod class was suggested in a previous forum for an in between class from stock to mod, 4 cell would be a total waste of time for mod drivers who race under the current rules as they are not that fast and takes a lot more work and money to get a combination that will be competitive with the top guys.
Lets face it, if you run in modified, it is going to cost $s there is no two ways about it, and if you haven’t got the skills, you are not going to catch the Nicholsons, Campbells and Abbotts.
BTW, I did forget to mention that not only the cost of the tyres at the worlds, but if you order X amount of tyres and don’t use them all, you still get charged for them all and have to pay in cash during the meeting.
I compare this to the 2004 worlds were we only paid US$25 per set and could make the decision on how many we purchased as the meeting went along.
Something that we have to prevent happening in Australia.
At the moment, the host clubs do nominate the tyres for the meetings, it is something we have to look into further to try and reduce costs. At the end of the day, the costs of tyres no mater what we run is the biggest expense we face to be competitive.
Though restricting motors and batteries theoretically would appear to make racing cheaper, it has been proven to make racing costs go up further.
AARCMCC has always followed the IFMAR rules for guide lines for motors and batteries.
The 5 cell mod class was suggested in a previous forum for an in between class from stock to mod, 4 cell would be a total waste of time for mod drivers who race under the current rules as they are not that fast and takes a lot more work and money to get a combination that will be competitive with the top guys.
Lets face it, if you run in modified, it is going to cost $s there is no two ways about it, and if you haven’t got the skills, you are not going to catch the Nicholsons, Campbells and Abbotts.
BTW, I did forget to mention that not only the cost of the tyres at the worlds, but if you order X amount of tyres and don’t use them all, you still get charged for them all and have to pay in cash during the meeting.
I compare this to the 2004 worlds were we only paid US$25 per set and could make the decision on how many we purchased as the meeting went along.
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Originally Posted by fastolfart
I knew the knockers would be in like a flash, but the comment was aimed at the cost of control tyres at this meeting, at $60 per set, that is not cheap.
Something that we have to prevent happening in Australia.
At the moment, the host clubs do nominate the tyres for the meetings, it is something we have to look into further to try and reduce costs. .
Something that we have to prevent happening in Australia.
At the moment, the host clubs do nominate the tyres for the meetings, it is something we have to look into further to try and reduce costs. .
Cheers
#14
The higher the costs, the less people will race = better chance of winning a sheep station ... thats what we win right??? lol
Bradd... the tires might be controlled but your still permitted to race out of control...
If controls tires are too epensive here in Aus, racers simply wont enter, plenty of otehr race meets to choose from. At the worlds..who cares..majority are factory drivers and/or ego maniacs on holiday.
Bradd... the tires might be controlled but your still permitted to race out of control...
If controls tires are too epensive here in Aus, racers simply wont enter, plenty of otehr race meets to choose from. At the worlds..who cares..majority are factory drivers and/or ego maniacs on holiday.