AARCMCC 2013 IC On Road Nationals (3rd -7th October)
#16
Tech Adept
Control tyres definitely the only answer
I think you only need to control rears. You would struggle to have any benefit from additive on front tyres only and not rears. In fact you might only need to control 1 rear tyre - goop on 1 rear and not the other would produce a bad handling car for sure!
Also anything that could be done for the Nats at this late stage is going to have to be really basic and probably only for the Finals
So how about you pay for 1 set of rear tyres in your entry fee and the club buys some rear tyres in a fixed shore on a carbon rim (37 for 1/8th and 42 for 1/10th). Then on finals day you get given 1 set of rear tyres 10 mins before the start of your final which you are free to true to any size you want. The rims are marked somehow with engraving or paint. You must start with 1 of these tyres on and and at any tyre change you must put the other tyre on so you finish with 1 marked tyre as well. The other 3 tyres on your car can be whatever you want.
Not sure how well this works in practice - I have never run a race meeting before! But it seems simpler than full control tyres and more effective than doing nothing at all.
I think you only need to control rears. You would struggle to have any benefit from additive on front tyres only and not rears. In fact you might only need to control 1 rear tyre - goop on 1 rear and not the other would produce a bad handling car for sure!
Also anything that could be done for the Nats at this late stage is going to have to be really basic and probably only for the Finals
So how about you pay for 1 set of rear tyres in your entry fee and the club buys some rear tyres in a fixed shore on a carbon rim (37 for 1/8th and 42 for 1/10th). Then on finals day you get given 1 set of rear tyres 10 mins before the start of your final which you are free to true to any size you want. The rims are marked somehow with engraving or paint. You must start with 1 of these tyres on and and at any tyre change you must put the other tyre on so you finish with 1 marked tyre as well. The other 3 tyres on your car can be whatever you want.
Not sure how well this works in practice - I have never run a race meeting before! But it seems simpler than full control tyres and more effective than doing nothing at all.
#17
Tech Rookie
Hey guys
Control tyres sounds like a good option but don't like the idea of controlling what shore tyres people run!
Control tyres sounds like a good option but don't like the idea of controlling what shore tyres people run!
#18
A controlled tyre is the only
way to go this will set peoples
Minds at rest whether people are using goop or not
I cant see a problem with controlling
The shore rating
Its done in electric its up to you to
Make your car work .
#19
Tech Rookie
I'll get my car to work on any shore that's not the problem, I don't see the advantage of being able to chose your shore so that should be open still a controlled tyre!
#20
[QUOTE=Jrdavis;12362345]I'll get my car to work on any shore that's not the problem, I don't see the advantage of being able to chose your shore so that should be
I know you can get it to work on
Any shore probably even
plastic
but it would be to hard for
the hosting club to have different shore tyres
I think they just need to find a happy medium
To keep everyone happy
When are you going to the track next
I know you can get it to work on
Any shore probably even
plastic
but it would be to hard for
the hosting club to have different shore tyres
I think they just need to find a happy medium
To keep everyone happy
When are you going to the track next
#21
Tech Rookie
[QUOTE=xr8man;12362378]
That's a fair point aswell! Just pisses ya off
Wen we Gota do this shit just because
Of a few people!
I'll get my car to work on any shore that's not the problem, I don't see the advantage of being able to chose your shore so that should be
I know you can get it to work on
Any shore probably even
plastic
but it would be to hard for
the hosting club to have different shore tyres
I think they just need to find a happy medium
To keep everyone happy
When are you going to the track next
I know you can get it to work on
Any shore probably even
plastic
but it would be to hard for
the hosting club to have different shore tyres
I think they just need to find a happy medium
To keep everyone happy
When are you going to the track next
Wen we Gota do this shit just because
Of a few people!
#22
YOU ARE CORRECT RAY. A FEW PEOPLE NO. A FEW DIRTY ROTTEN SCUM BAGS CHEATS YES
#23
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (7)
I'm all for using a control tyre and shore, but as I'm apart of the club we need to get this sorted out ASAP cause nationals is only 2 1/2 months away, but if we as racers can make a decision by the end of the month then we might be able to do something.
In all honesty we as racers need to agree on this and go over AARCMCC's head and get it done, I think all the clubs need to get in contact with each other and have a vote and make a decision, each club needs to go back to there members and decide what they what to do! But this needs to be done by the end of the month so we can get something done with the supplier of the tyres.
I'm sure when we decide on a tyre and go back to the supplier and say to them we would like to order 1000 sets it wont be a problem, they will jump at it!
In all honesty we as racers need to agree on this and go over AARCMCC's head and get it done, I think all the clubs need to get in contact with each other and have a vote and make a decision, each club needs to go back to there members and decide what they what to do! But this needs to be done by the end of the month so we can get something done with the supplier of the tyres.
I'm sure when we decide on a tyre and go back to the supplier and say to them we would like to order 1000 sets it wont be a problem, they will jump at it!
#24
Tech Initiate
+1 for control tyres, they should be pre trued to a set size and the shore should be picked by the host club, they are the only ones that will know that will work, they should be handed out in staging only 1 set per run, for the final 1 set to be handed out in staging and the second after the second or third pit stops (10-15 minute mark).
Tyres for racing to be covered under entry fee, additional for practice days available to be purchased.
If the tyres are picked within the next couple of weeks the manufacture/s that is picked will have the time to pre true them and ship them out.
It has shown overseas that it not only makes the competition closer/ more even but everyone is more relaxed because they have one less thing to worry about.
just my thoughts on it.
Tyres for racing to be covered under entry fee, additional for practice days available to be purchased.
If the tyres are picked within the next couple of weeks the manufacture/s that is picked will have the time to pre true them and ship them out.
It has shown overseas that it not only makes the competition closer/ more even but everyone is more relaxed because they have one less thing to worry about.
just my thoughts on it.
#26
Also when traveling interstate there will be NO need to bring a tyre truer in your luggage and NO need to carry 20 sets of tyres in 3 different shore ratings!!!
#27
Wot ??
Do I have to buy tyres Shiiiit
better start eating sangas then
Seriously, control tyres, ONE size, ONE compound and ONE manufacturer the only way to go
Do I have to buy tyres Shiiiit
better start eating sangas then
Seriously, control tyres, ONE size, ONE compound and ONE manufacturer the only way to go
#28
+ 1000 Haven't been in this sport all that long like you guy's, but even
I can see this is the best way to go
Cheers Daz
#29
If anyone turned up for the Vics 2013, Brad Davis announced very clearly that ANYONE caught gooping or in the possession of goop anywhere near a sanctioned event will be escorted out of the event. As TJK pointed out, discussions were had regarding the administration and implementation of a control tyre and the problems outweighed the benefits.
If you control tyes, you need to control fuel, then shells, then engnes because those who cant accept being beating fair and square will always find an excuse.
We ran the NATS 2012 without goop, everyone passed, I thought it's was a good enough reason to assume that gooping is just a lame accusation for poor losers. How many accusations do you think will arise if a club has problems managing tyres for drivers. At a 50 driver+ 200mm event, that's almost 500 "sets" of tyres, in the order of $10,000 plus.
I think we'll kill IC onroad before control tyres solves any of these accusations, or perhaps the accusations are killing it anyway!!
If you control tyes, you need to control fuel, then shells, then engnes because those who cant accept being beating fair and square will always find an excuse.
We ran the NATS 2012 without goop, everyone passed, I thought it's was a good enough reason to assume that gooping is just a lame accusation for poor losers. How many accusations do you think will arise if a club has problems managing tyres for drivers. At a 50 driver+ 200mm event, that's almost 500 "sets" of tyres, in the order of $10,000 plus.
I think we'll kill IC onroad before control tyres solves any of these accusations, or perhaps the accusations are killing it anyway!!
#30
Derrick, they GOOP in Electric ... So it's a moot argument to assume it works fairly in EP!