2012 Australian EP Offroad Titles
12-04-2011, 10:07 PM
#3
12-04-2011, 10:23 PM
#4
We're all still waiting for an announcement.
As I understand it St Ives and Maitland are the only two clubs that made bids (but I don't know everything). So, the Nationals will likely either be at St Ives or Maitland.
The meeting will be at Easter. This hasn't been officially confirmed, but the AARCMCC EP Offroad President also happens to be the organiser of the NSW Club Series, and the draft calendar he gave the clubs for next year had the Nationals slated for Easter.
I've heard from 2 people that the decision was to be made yesterday (though not officially), but haven't seen an announcement or received an email yet.
As I understand it St Ives and Maitland are the only two clubs that made bids (but I don't know everything). So, the Nationals will likely either be at St Ives or Maitland.
The meeting will be at Easter. This hasn't been officially confirmed, but the AARCMCC EP Offroad President also happens to be the organiser of the NSW Club Series, and the draft calendar he gave the clubs for next year had the Nationals slated for Easter.
I've heard from 2 people that the decision was to be made yesterday (though not officially), but haven't seen an announcement or received an email yet.
12-04-2011, 11:10 PM
#5
We're all still waiting for an announcement.
As I understand it St Ives and Maitland are the only two clubs that made bids (but I don't know everything). So, the Nationals will likely either be at St Ives or Maitland.
The meeting will be at Easter. This hasn't been officially confirmed, but the AARCMCC EP Offroad President also happens to be the organiser of the NSW Club Series, and the draft calendar he gave the clubs for next year had the Nationals slated for Easter.
I've heard from 2 people that the decision was to be made yesterday (though not officially), but haven't seen an announcement or received an email yet.
As I understand it St Ives and Maitland are the only two clubs that made bids (but I don't know everything). So, the Nationals will likely either be at St Ives or Maitland.
The meeting will be at Easter. This hasn't been officially confirmed, but the AARCMCC EP Offroad President also happens to be the organiser of the NSW Club Series, and the draft calendar he gave the clubs for next year had the Nationals slated for Easter.
I've heard from 2 people that the decision was to be made yesterday (though not officially), but haven't seen an announcement or received an email yet.
12-05-2011, 04:22 AM
#7
Not trying to be argumentative here, but at the Vic titles this year there were 190+ entries and they were able to fit in 2w & 4w 540, 2w & 4w seniors and SCT as well as the traditional classes in a 2 day program (including some minor rain delays).
Id like to hear if AARCMCC intend making SCT an official class. Just about everywhere it is popular (more so than most 'traditional' classes) yet there seems to be resistance to it being any more than a demo class. I saw some draft rules proposed 6+ months ago but nothing since then.
Ray
Id like to hear if AARCMCC intend making SCT an official class. Just about everywhere it is popular (more so than most 'traditional' classes) yet there seems to be resistance to it being any more than a demo class. I saw some draft rules proposed 6+ months ago but nothing since then.
Ray
12-05-2011, 04:38 AM
#8
What hobby/sport has the Grand Final before the qualifications/State Titles meetings? (Ours obviously!!
) 
I would like to see the nationals held at the end of the year -or at least at a time when the freaking rain is not at its worst......and YES - I can honestly state that just about every freaking on road NSW I.C State Titles at Morebank held at easter is rain affected.
Not to mention the last 3 years.........
I suppose it wont matter what time of the year it is put on - you cant change nature... but you can sure try and give yourself a chance.
Either way - will be a great event. Certainly looking forward to it.
Cheers
Darryn
) I would like to see the nationals held at the end of the year -or at least at a time when the freaking rain is not at its worst......and YES - I can honestly state that just about every freaking on road NSW I.C State Titles at Morebank held at easter is rain affected.
Not to mention the last 3 years.........I suppose it wont matter what time of the year it is put on - you cant change nature... but you can sure try and give yourself a chance.
Either way - will be a great event. Certainly looking forward to it.
Cheers
Darryn
12-05-2011, 03:09 PM
#9
Not trying to be argumentative here, but at the Vic titles this year there were 190+ entries and they were able to fit in 2w & 4w 540, 2w & 4w seniors and SCT as well as the traditional classes in a 2 day program (including some minor rain delays).
Id like to hear if AARCMCC intend making SCT an official class. Just about everywhere it is popular (more so than most 'traditional' classes) yet there seems to be resistance to it being any more than a demo class. I saw some draft rules proposed 6+ months ago but nothing since then.
Ray
Id like to hear if AARCMCC intend making SCT an official class. Just about everywhere it is popular (more so than most 'traditional' classes) yet there seems to be resistance to it being any more than a demo class. I saw some draft rules proposed 6+ months ago but nothing since then.
Ray
At the moment the AARCMCC rules allow for a maximum of 120 entries in a day which really means 12 heats. With three classes, Triple-As and single lower finals this equates to 66 races with lower finals.
At the 2010 NSW State Titles* there were 9 races in a round with just 3 classes (on both days). And looking at the grid listings, it seems like almost every class was close to tipping over and requiring an extra heat. If that had occurred the event would have been at capacity.
This is what we want. Lots of entries means lots of close racing where you have to really fight for your A-final spot. It also means that when it comes to finals you're in one racing against others who are really closely matched with you.
If you add an extra class into this event it effectively puts a cap on the entries in other classes. At the EP8 State Titles Maitland are hosting next week there are 36 SCT entries over 2 motor classes just as demonstration classes! If those numbers were repeated at a NSW State Titles we'd certainly have to turn people away.
If there really was more time on the programme then 6 minute races would be fantastic. They have 6 minutes for all but Mod TC (and 12th is 8 of course) in Onroad.
*In 2011 the event was held in Maitland which is the only non-Sydney club in NSW affiliated with AARCMCC. As a result entries were down 1 race per day (though the fact that it was the week before the FEMCA ISTC race in Sydney also cost us some entries). This enabled us to run Double-B finals. More racing for the lower finalists is a good thing. It also meant we could finish early enough on Sunday for Leigh Cheeseman to fly home, but only after we reorganised the last round of finals so he could leave earlier. A longer day makes it harder for Interstate entires at regional venues.
What hobby/sport has the Grand Final before the qualifications/State Titles meetings? (Ours obviously!!)
I would like to see the nationals held at the end of the year -or at least at a time when the freaking rain is not at its worst......and YES - I can honestly state that just about every freaking on road NSW I.C State Titles at Morebank held at easter is rain affected. Not to mention the last 3 years.........
I suppose it wont matter what time of the year it is put on - you cant change nature... but you can sure try and give yourself a chance.
Either way - will be a great event. Certainly looking forward to it.
Cheers
Darryn
) I would like to see the nationals held at the end of the year -or at least at a time when the freaking rain is not at its worst......and YES - I can honestly state that just about every freaking on road NSW I.C State Titles at Morebank held at easter is rain affected.
Not to mention the last 3 years.........I suppose it wont matter what time of the year it is put on - you cant change nature... but you can sure try and give yourself a chance.
Either way - will be a great event. Certainly looking forward to it.
Cheers
Darryn
The fact that Easter is all public holidays really helps with numbers of entries too.
There are now 6 different RC National Title events in Australia. EP OFR, EP ONR, IC ONR, IC Buggy, IC Truggy (& EP8), Large Scale. The National Titles are the events most likely to attract people form different disciplines to have a go. Some clubs/venues race more than one of these disciplines too. Clearly we can't run them all at the same time of year.
p.s. I do not claim that the current "system" is even close to being the best we can do. When I get free time I've been looking at suggestions for revamping the entire calendar. There is a lot of work though.
Last edited by Radio Active; 12-06-2011 at 03:10 AM.
12-06-2011, 02:25 AM
#11
I've just had a look at the results from that meet. I note you ran 11 races in a round running your 5 classes in a day on Sunday. That equates to 65 races if you run all the lower finals. On the Saturday you squeezed in 6 classes and 11 races, which is 67 except that one of the lower finals wasn't run because it only had 2 drivers, so 66.
At the moment the AARCMCC rules allow for a maximum of 120 entries in a day which really means 12 heats. With three classes, Triple-As and single lower finals this equates to 66 races with lower finals.
At the 2010 NSW State Titles* there were 9 races in a round with just 3 classes (on both days). And looking at the grid listings, it seems like almost every class was close to tipping over and requiring an extra heat. If that had occurred the event would have been at capacity.
This is what we want. Lots of entries means lots of close racing where you have to really fight for your A-final spot. It also means that when it comes to finals you're in one racing against others who are really closely matched with you.
If you add an extra class into this event it effectively puts a cap on the entries in other classes. At the EP8 State Titles Maitland are hosting next week there are 36 SCT entries over 2 motor classes just as demonstration classes! If those numbers were repeated at a NSW State Titles we'd certainly have to turn people away.
If there really was more time on the programme then 6 minute races would be fantastic. The have 6 minutes for all but Mod TC (and 12th is 8 of course) in Onroad.
*In 2011 the event was held in Maitland which is the only non-Sydney club in NSW affiliated with AARCMCC. As a result entries were down 1 race per day (though the fact that it was the week before the FEMCA ISTC race in Sydney also cost us some entries). This enabled us to run Double-B finals. More racing for the lower finalists is a good thing. It also meant we could finish early enough on Sunday for Leigh Cheeseman to fly home, but only after we reorganised the last round of finals so he could leave earlier. A longer day makes it harder for Interstate entires at regional venues.
Well, if the Nationals wasn't held at this time of year, you'd probably want another State Title to be. We'd like to encourage people to race at state titles outside their own state more, and in fact technically you need to do that for WC qualification (when enough people want to go). We can't stack them all up next to each other.
The fact that Easter is all public holidays really helps with numbers of entries too.
There are now 6 different RC National Title events in Australia. EP OFR, EP ONR, IC ONR, IC Buggy, IC Truggy (& EP8), Large Scale. The National Titles are the events most likely to attract people form different disciplines to have a go. Some clubs/venues race more than one of these disciplines too. Clearly we can't run them all at the same time of year.
p.s. I do not claim that the current "system" is even close to being the best we can do. When I get free time I've been looking at suggestions for revamping the entire calendar. There is a lot of work though.
At the moment the AARCMCC rules allow for a maximum of 120 entries in a day which really means 12 heats. With three classes, Triple-As and single lower finals this equates to 66 races with lower finals.
At the 2010 NSW State Titles* there were 9 races in a round with just 3 classes (on both days). And looking at the grid listings, it seems like almost every class was close to tipping over and requiring an extra heat. If that had occurred the event would have been at capacity.
This is what we want. Lots of entries means lots of close racing where you have to really fight for your A-final spot. It also means that when it comes to finals you're in one racing against others who are really closely matched with you.
If you add an extra class into this event it effectively puts a cap on the entries in other classes. At the EP8 State Titles Maitland are hosting next week there are 36 SCT entries over 2 motor classes just as demonstration classes! If those numbers were repeated at a NSW State Titles we'd certainly have to turn people away.
If there really was more time on the programme then 6 minute races would be fantastic. The have 6 minutes for all but Mod TC (and 12th is 8 of course) in Onroad.
*In 2011 the event was held in Maitland which is the only non-Sydney club in NSW affiliated with AARCMCC. As a result entries were down 1 race per day (though the fact that it was the week before the FEMCA ISTC race in Sydney also cost us some entries). This enabled us to run Double-B finals. More racing for the lower finalists is a good thing. It also meant we could finish early enough on Sunday for Leigh Cheeseman to fly home, but only after we reorganised the last round of finals so he could leave earlier. A longer day makes it harder for Interstate entires at regional venues.
Well, if the Nationals wasn't held at this time of year, you'd probably want another State Title to be. We'd like to encourage people to race at state titles outside their own state more, and in fact technically you need to do that for WC qualification (when enough people want to go). We can't stack them all up next to each other.
The fact that Easter is all public holidays really helps with numbers of entries too.
There are now 6 different RC National Title events in Australia. EP OFR, EP ONR, IC ONR, IC Buggy, IC Truggy (& EP8), Large Scale. The National Titles are the events most likely to attract people form different disciplines to have a go. Some clubs/venues race more than one of these disciplines too. Clearly we can't run them all at the same time of year.
p.s. I do not claim that the current "system" is even close to being the best we can do. When I get free time I've been looking at suggestions for revamping the entire calendar. There is a lot of work though.
Also, I don't mind when people make mistakes, it's just when they make the same ones over and over again...
12-06-2011, 02:59 AM
#13
Otherwise I race my club races, rounds of a state series, my own State Titles and Nationals. That's plenty. If I'm still hungry for more racing after all of that well there are State Titles in other states I can race, or I can just go to someone else's club meeting. There's no reason to go looking for anything else.
12-06-2011, 04:29 AM
#14
I've just had a look at the results from that meet. I note you ran 11 races in a round running your 5 classes in a day on Sunday. That equates to 65 races if you run all the lower finals. On the Saturday you squeezed in 6 classes and 11 races, which is 67 except that one of the lower finals wasn't run because it only had 2 drivers, so 66.
At the moment the AARCMCC rules allow for a maximum of 120 entries in a day which really means 12 heats. With three classes, Triple-As and single lower finals this equates to 66 races with lower finals.
At the 2010 NSW State Titles* there were 9 races in a round with just 3 classes (on both days). And looking at the grid listings, it seems like almost every class was close to tipping over and requiring an extra heat. If that had occurred the event would have been at capacity.
This is what we want. Lots of entries means lots of close racing where you have to really fight for your A-final spot. It also means that when it comes to finals you're in one racing against others who are really closely matched with you.
If you add an extra class into this event it effectively puts a cap on the entries in other classes. At the EP8 State Titles Maitland are hosting next week there are 36 SCT entries over 2 motor classes just as demonstration classes! If those numbers were repeated at a NSW State Titles we'd certainly have to turn people away.
At the moment the AARCMCC rules allow for a maximum of 120 entries in a day which really means 12 heats. With three classes, Triple-As and single lower finals this equates to 66 races with lower finals.
At the 2010 NSW State Titles* there were 9 races in a round with just 3 classes (on both days). And looking at the grid listings, it seems like almost every class was close to tipping over and requiring an extra heat. If that had occurred the event would have been at capacity.
This is what we want. Lots of entries means lots of close racing where you have to really fight for your A-final spot. It also means that when it comes to finals you're in one racing against others who are really closely matched with you.
If you add an extra class into this event it effectively puts a cap on the entries in other classes. At the EP8 State Titles Maitland are hosting next week there are 36 SCT entries over 2 motor classes just as demonstration classes! If those numbers were repeated at a NSW State Titles we'd certainly have to turn people away.
I agree its difficult when there are too many classes, but my point was to say it isnt impossible to fit it in with current numbers at state titles. Obviously this is a separate discussion and should move to another thread.
Look forward to hearing where the event will be soon. As usual though, being at Easter makes it a tough sell to the family
Ray
